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Immigration speech from president. - Page 2

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#11
10-24-2013, 07:57 PM
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Your first point is a complete lie. The statistics prove it as well as all of the immigration docket that represents mostly non-criminal, long-settled here immigrants. I know because I went through it and speak out of personal experience. I don't have DACA.

I have education, skills and a good income, ID, etc, because my parents had the excellent foresight to settle in a state (WA), and purposefully in an area where we would be the only Hispanic family around, to ensure our integration and development and acceptance, where we would be given plenty of opportunity by our own community, not by the gov. or 'advocates'. Obama's speech did not fool anyone. You are drinking his kool aid, it is a set up for the next elections. Also, I am a grown woman who's been taking care of herself for quite a while, but to answer your main point, everyone has the right to their own opinion, but NOT to their own facts. And the fact is Obama is not serious about CIR because his whole fucking speech can be summed up like this "Let me p0int the finger at everyone else, especially the GOP, but not to myself, and I am not here to offer anything new".

I am angered at the injustice and hypocrisy of his political games. You are angered by your own lack of opportunity, and I can understand that, as I do feel that way myself sometimes. But you are lying to yourself if you believe this man got off the podium and went back to his office to decide which steps he can take to improve the lives of the immigrant community.

P.S. We waited for months for Gutierrez and the House dems to introduce their "House bill" and now the only bill that can be considered is the Senate one? Do you not see his game? Minutes after his speech, Boehner's staff released a statement saying the House will NOT vote on the Senate bill. Time to consider whatever good the Republicans will offer.

So would you rather have had the self deportation president? What would you have been writing on here if that happened?

My anger at my situation is not at this president because I have my own eyes. I came here during President Reagan's presidency. After the 86 amnesty which I was late for, I heard nothing about immigration. Bush, Sr? Nothing. Clinton, one of my favorite presidents signed the 1996 immigration law that made our lives even harder. George W passed the Patriot Act and a law requiring middle easterners to register, passed the REAL ID and made immigrants enemy #1 which trickled down to the state level resulting in driver's licenses being taken away and passing laws in Arizona, Alabama, etc.

Oh by the way, Latinos were W's biggest supporters because he knew a few words in Spanish and was a "good Christian" So it's not like all Latinos who can vote care about is their fellow immigrants. If they did, we wouldn't have Ted Cruz in power in Texas.

I mention all the other Presidents because Obama is the first one to make immigration reform part of his agenda. DACA is very real. You can call it a ploy or whatever but it has made a huge difference in people's lives whether they are smart enough to realize it or not.

As for all the "innocent" people, I see them too. I've worked with many people without documents over the years from all walks of life and countries. From what I've seen, the ones who just work and keep their nose clean are still here. The ones who get caught up usually screw up somewhere whether it's a DWI, getting in a fight, or hanging out with the wrong people and getting swept up.

If you have the statistics to prove your point please do so, but Just 7 years ago, ICE had it their mission to raid businesses. It seemed like every week they were raiding a business. I have not heard of a single case lately except for raiding homes where traffickers are holding people against their will.
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10-24-2013, 08:03 PM
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I think people don't understand how much difficult it is to be the president and are expecting too much of him. All he can do is promote a cir but if the house doesn't get voting we can't really blame him that much
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10-24-2013, 08:21 PM
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Surely, CIR is a priority for Obama, so much so, he will call Boehner and negotiate bringing legislation to a vote. So much so, that he will spend the next 5 weeks on the road fundraising and campaigning.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-for-democrats

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Obama to go on post-shutdown fundraising blitz for Democrats

President Obama plans to be the star guest for at least eight fundraising events around the country over the next five weeks for House and Senate Democrats, sources say.

The aggressive cross-country trip comes after a government shutdown battered Republican approval ratings and raised Democratic hopes of keeping control of the Senate and winning back the House for Obama’s final two years in office.


House passage of immigration reform would add to Obama’s legacy, giving him an accomplishment that would turn around what has been a lackluster second term so far.

“Given the choice, if we could only have one, he’d rather have immigration reform,” the official said of winning back the House. Many observers, however, are pessimistic immigration reform will move ahead before the 2014 elections, something even Obama allies acknowledge.
“I don’t think it’s looking good legislatively,” one Democratic strategist close to the White House said.

Obama’s vigorous campaign schedule, which will keep him on the road for much of November, suggests a real focus on 2014.
I'm sorry, but does this look as if the President is focused on passing CIR?
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Unfortunately CIR is one political toy that both parties are screwing with..let's say the house does pass a bill,who's to say the senate will pass their bill..don't get me wrong Obama passed DACA for one reason VOTES...I HAVE SEEN THE BENEFITS OF DACA and I thankful that he used us to gainer the Latino vote ..The house is going to pass bills in small portions,no one can force Boheneir (sp) to do otherwise like pass the senate bill..even today all they Republicans want is Obamacare to fail..no mention of immigration all the focus is on this website failing ... Politics as usual...
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only 5 weeks til Congress goes on vacay. CIR Thanksgiving is coming!!!
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Hey guys the good news is we can only be lied to 5 more weeks. If they don't pass it by then we can stop giving a shit for a while, till at least 2016 or 2035.
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I have searched high and low for any indication of Congressional DEMOCRATS, you know, Pelosi, Reid, etc, talking to Republicans about moving CIR legislation. There is 0 info to be found. All I can find is "Obama wants CIR by end of the year", "Obama says...", "Obama tells adovcates...blah, blah, blah". His incomplete 'push' for CIR, his supposedly No.1 priority after the shutdown doesn't schedule negotiations with Democrats and Republicans to finish legislation? Well, what other work is he planning next week? A 10 minute speech isn't going to cut it. The speech was given to 'advocates', not open to the general press, what a joke.
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I have searched high and low for any indication of Congressional DEMOCRATS, you know, Pelosi, Reid, etc, talking to Republicans about moving CIR legislation. There is 0 info to be found. All I can find is "Obama wants CIR by end of the year", "Obama says...", "Obama tells adovcates...blah, blah, blah". His incomplete 'push' for CIR, his supposedly No.1 priority after the shutdown doesn't schedule negotiations with Democrats and Republicans to finish legislation? Well, what other work is he planning next week? A 10 minute speech isn't going to cut it. The speech was given to 'advocates', not open to the general press, what a joke.

So every talk they have is going to be found on the internet correct? They are working on it. Let it go. Sometimes you just have to have some faith.
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