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Is Hillary really pro immigration? - Page 2

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10-29-2015, 01:12 AM
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Hillary is the best chance for DACA Expansion still?
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Why do you end your posts with a question mark. Is the title of my next post.
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10-29-2015, 05:02 AM
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Any democrat will keep DACA, revoking it would be political suicide for them.

Problem is that in reality all politicians are shit when it comes to immigration:
Hillary has a similar record to Reid here, anti-immigrant until they got a change of heart.
Sanders is basically a "dey took out jobs" hick.

Would be nice to have one go on record and have them publicly promise immigration reform within 100 days, and affirm said promise on their inauguration speech. Just how Obama hasn't. Only time he spoke about immigration was on Univision or other Telemundo. Come the time he's elected: Word "immigration" appears 0 times in his inauguration, re-election, and state of the union speeches.
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Bottom line is it doesn't matter who wins. Change must come through Congress. Haven't we learned anything with DACA/DAPA? Both Hillary and Bernie can scream from the hills they're pro immigration but unless they get Republicans to help pass that bill there's no amount of executive orders that will stand. Obama did absolutely nothing for immigrants in his first term when he had both the House and the senate and no amount of squawking will change that fact. He tried to enact an executive order when activists had him by the throat. I've never seen so much brow beating to get the guy to actually keep his promise he made to 11 million people who helped him become president. How's that "change" he ran his campaign on working out for you? Remember, "Si, se puede" in 2008? His executive order failed and he knew damn well Republicans would make sure it was DOA but he got to save face so he doesn't give a shit. When Obama really wants something he gets it done - see Affordable Health Care Act - his legacy. Obama doesn't even talk about immigration anymore. With less than a year and a half to go, why would he? Dude already checked out.

Vote for someone you feel in your gut will actually get off their asses and not just spout political rhetoric to get them in the White House then sit around for the next eight years claiming at least they tried.
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Any democrat will keep DACA, revoking it would be political suicide for them.

Problem is that in reality all politicians are shit when it comes to immigration:
Hillary has a similar record to Reid here, anti-immigrant until they got a change of heart.
Sanders is basically a "dey took out jobs" hick.

Would be nice to have one go on record and have them publicly promise immigration reform within 100 days, and affirm said promise on their inauguration speech. Just how Obama hasn't. Only time he spoke about immigration was on Univision or other Telemundo. Come the time he's elected: Word "immigration" appears 0 times in his inauguration, re-election, and state of the union speeches.
No president can promise immigration reform in 100 days because that's not how the US congress is set up. Presidents all have agendas but they aren't kings and they are trying to get votes from people who may be sitting on the fence who may not be all that immigrant friendly. The best approach is what Hillary is doing in saying she supports the cause and if given the chance she would do her best to pass it. Anything beyond that would be dishonest as circumstances may change.
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You do realize daca was just a political move for votes right ? Obama was a waste , I support him for all his other policies but as far as immigration goes he's a joke and did nothing . I am extremely grateful for daca , however since you're the one speaking about where these candidates hearts really are at, Obama could give a fuck less about us
All things all politicians do is political, so what's your point? THAT'S THE SYSTEM! The GOP blocking immigration is also a political move but we suffered from it so if the counter of that benefits us, that's how things work. The only way to win is through the politics. If you don't believe me, look at how the LBGT community won their war. It was all through politics and the courts.

But hey if you think Obama was so bad, if you have DACA, give it back. If you don't have DACA, don't apply for it once the injunction is lifted. You don't sound grateful at all, far from it. Better yet, do what Obama's last rival wanted you to do and self deport because that was the alternative in this system. You can't make up your own make belief world with imaginary candidates and realities. The choice was between Romney or Obama and the better candidate won for us.

The choice now for us is Bernie or Hillary vs. candidates from hell and between Hillary and Bernie, Hillary has the more proven record.
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Any democrat will keep DACA, revoking it would be political suicide for them..
It hasn't been for the Republicans so why would it be for them? Americans are fickle and have selective amnesia. See Trump.
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It hasn't been for the Republicans so why would it be for them? Americans are fickle and have selective amnesia. See Trump.
Republicans gave up on the Latino vote 3 elections ago. The Democrat base depends on that vote.
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In 2007 Joe Biden, Obama, and Clinton voted for the immigration reform bill that had the entirety of the Dream Act in it. Bernie Sanders did not. More recently, she was aggressively compagining for immigration reform even before Trump came out slinging his hate at it. Is it politics? Well yes, it's all politics, it's a political campaign after all, but she is our best hope. Bernie may reluctantly say a few good things but I don't think his heart is in it and he comes off as disingenuous and again, he voted against the Dream Act (the very website we are on is named after it in case you people don't know).
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I like Bernie a lot ----but I think hillary is far more for immigration reform than Bernie.
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