DACA May Die In Three Weeks, And Democrats Have No Leverage Left - Page 2

SHUT THE FRONT DOOR! I had no idea that illegals couldn't vote! Given some of the responses I see on here, it might not be a bad thing.

All indications are that November is going to be a brutal midterm for the Republicans and the closer we get to it with more accurate poll numbers, the more apparent it will be to the Republicans so they may want to pass something before they lose total control over congress.

Is that Jive? If the choice is a deal that will ruin the lives of millions of immigrants, doesn't help out older dreamers and only helps out a few thousand DACA recipients (and asks them to give up their right to due process), and waiting a little more to get a better deal, it's down right childish to take the first deal. I know, I know, you're all precious snowflakes working on scientific stuff so you can't possibly have any sort of hardship like "those other illegals", but the real world is a harsh place sometimes.

Waiting won't help anyone. And I feel you; they need to protect aged out Dreamers, most of whom have families now.

stop being so obtuse and intentionally dishonest.
it would help hundreds of thousands, not just "thousands"
you're just downplaying it to make your argument(or lack of) sound better because it's coming from some supposed moral high ground.
i don't know how many times i have to tell you, a 40 year old man, that the world does not work as simple as "it's either this bad deal, or wait a little longer for a magical deal".
there's nuances to decision making in washington as shallow and all-for-show as it may be.
republicans control the house, senate, and WH.
what makes you think we're going to get a deal much better than the ones being presented at the moment??

Easy for you to say since you don't have DACA!

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I assure you, there is nothing easy for me. Think about that logic for a minute. 20+ years with no DACA as an adult, while many people on DACA have never known life without DACA and are willing to not even think about non-DACA dreamers on here are telling me that I shouldn't dare mention possible sacrifices on their end because the MIGHT be like me for even a few months. And somehow in this logic, I am the selfish one!

I can't wrap my head around this logic. I and others like me have been here much longer, we get passed by through a 100% arbitrary cutoff age, and now our fellow dreamers get upset when we want the same rights they have and we're the bad guys here.

I'd love to know how my life is easier having been without DACA than your lives with DACA even if it expires for a little while during this debate? What makes you guys so much better that you're willing to accept a solution that doesn't include aged out dreamers AND will salt the earth for future immigrants? Why? Because some intern writing DACA in 2012 decided to put 30 on the proposal?

By the way, how do you think your father is going to fare if chain migration is ended?

Seriously, can you write an intelligible sentence? How many DACA holders are there? 700k? There are another 14 million undocumented who will have zero chance of ever becoming legal with this proposal, of which there are probably hundreds of thousands of aged out dreamers. In addition, there are going to be millions and millions of future immigrants who will be left out of family petitions.