In response to "Obama 'hopes'..." - Page 2

Alex1234

Because I believe you need to know what other people think, even if they're wrong. That way, you're ready for what's to come once we're out on the streets asking to be heard. You'll be attacked with stuff like that, so be ready and respond to the attacks.

What exactly is your problem here? If you feel so "guilty" about it, then don't apply for the dream act when it passes.Move back to chile and try to come back the right way, so that all the "citizens" here can give you a pat on the back and tell you how deserving you are.

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Who's talking about feeling guilty?
Why can't you see their side? I think it's essential to know the sentiments of your opposition.

Did I hurt your feelings by talking about the US educational system? I mean come on, you should know better. This educational system needs improvement. Even the new president-elect has mentioned it.

I hate hearing bullshit about the so-called "Third World Countries"; education is low, high percentage of poverty... and blah blah blah.

Why can't you take my perspective? Are you not aware of our oppsition? Not everyone agrees with us. And you need to know about what they think. Take their ideas, get them out of the farce, and get them to support us. That's all I say.

I have never said I oppose the DREAM Act. if I did, I wouldnt have done what I did while I was in college for its support.


But you know, I've been getting attacked here. For driving without a license, for talking about the opposition's point of view... etc.

Since Obama got elected, now some of you will just sit and watch. We still need to make those calls, send emails, letters, distribute flyers, events, marches, etc. We have to let them know we are not few, we are many... and we all have the same dream.

Maybe I clash with some of the members of this forum or not being a DREAMer role model as some of you claim to be...

Your response disappointed me.

Not wanting to start an argument.

It's gonna bug me.


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I don't buy this argument for a second. I've lived in this state for a long time. My parents pay taxes to this state. I should be able to get in state tuition like any other American citizen who is a resident of my state. If I go to a school in say California, that allows undocumented students to get in-state tuition, then I will have to pay out of state tuition, just like any other American citizen who is not a resident of CA. Thats fair and equal.

You are being discriminated against based on a misdemeanor that your parents committed and you are saying that you "understand [these] concerns". Some people are misinformed about what the DREAM Act is all about, and thats the real problem. If you say "illegal immigrants can get in-state tuition while a US citizen has to pay out of state rates" that is going to cause a lot of anger, yet its not true! Under the state level DREAM Act you have to prove that you are a resident of the state, you have to prove that you graduated from a HS of that state, and you have to sign papers pledging that you will seek legalization as soon as the opportunity arises. Thats hardly the same is it.

The concerns you are trying to understand are created by people who see the issue in their own light and take the time to spread false beliefs about the legislation, just so it doesn't see the light of day, because they are bitter with us "Mexicans" taking over "their" country. The only concern of their's that you have to understand is that they are racist bigots who will never take a second out of their day to understand your concerns and will take every chance to make your life more miserable. The rest of America just has to be informed about the underlying issues and the true colors of the DREAM Act. Thats the America you should focus on.

I agree with most of what you just say. I do believe "these concerns" (just taking your correction, sorry for my crappy English) are to be known by us DREAMers. Yes, they're lies, false statements, whatever you want to call it.

"The rest of America just has to be informed about the underlying issues and the true colors of the DREAM Act. Thats the America you should focus on"

Who's gonna inform them? Most people just sit and wait for a miracle. Specially right now since Obama got elected. Surprisingly, no one has taken my offers of organising.

And I give up on this topic. No one understands what I'm trying to say. It's the natural born citizen issue. Something that has come up when I talk to people in person.

All I'm trying to do is to understand the oposition to get them to support us. That is all.

I said "if qualified", but some forgot to read that.

And seriously, I think it goes beyond racism. I have never heard or met a single person who doesnt support the DREAM Act making racist remmarks. It has always been about the education.

"I'm a natural born citizen and I cant go to another state and get in state tuition, while you, someone who was not born here and illegaly came into the country, not by your own choice, are free to qualify and get in state tuition"

My head hurts. But at least some people here understand what i'm saying. So I'm posting for the last time on this topic with a smile.

I think the reason we don't understand what you're saying is because you put things like this quote in your statements. You say you understand that we don't get in-state tuition, but yet you say the American citizens you talk to believe that we get instate while they don't. It's contradictory.

A natural born citizen, a legal permanent resident, an undocumented student, etc... can not go to another state and get in-state tuition from that state regardless of status if they're living in different state from the one they want to go to. (I realize that's a lil wordy but bear with me) They have to pay out of state... we have to pay out of state. We get instate where citizens get instate... I don't understand how it would seem unfair to citizens if we get in-state tuition at the same exact institutions they get in-state. And we only get it in a few select states, granted we live there... blah blah blah.

That quote would be true if we got instate and they didn't, but that is absolutely NOT true! We can not go to another state and get in-state tuition... we can't get instate tuition in about 40 states even if we've lived there from the moment we came here. That is not fair. And that is the truth. I hope I'm making sense... am I?

It's understandable to try to think like the opposition, but when the opposition doesn't know the facts, to think like them would be a helpless cause because they're not right. They don't do their research. All the U.S. citizens I talked to seem to understand the DREAM Act because I have explained to them that we don't get instate, or federal grants or any type of state/federal money. The only thing we'd be eligible for are loans... which we have to pay back... plus interest. They think this if fair because we're not using money that can go towards them.

I think I've said enough. Feel free to comment, but seeing that you said you were done with this topic, I will gladly take the last word. hehe

Understand what you're saying but whoever you're speaking to does not understand the issue and are taking the issue in its most simplistic form:

"I'm a natural born citizen and I cant go to another state and get in state tuition, while you, someone who was not born here and illegaly came into the country, not by your own choice, are free to qualify and get in state tuition"

--> Blame their parents for wanting to raise them in whatever state they lived in!...jk...

But with the above arguement, neither would a DREAMie if he moved to another state to educate him/herself. They need to understand the economics of state supported higher education (I'm clueless to them so don't ask). I don't know what kind of people you're hanging around with but every one I told about my situation understood the basis for getting in state tuition. In State Tuition is a previlage earned by paying taxes to the state and can be avoided most of the times if you take a year off school and just live in the state not going to school ... WOW take a year off school to get in-state for at least the next four years, cry me a river. Just my view.

The quote above is someone who understands the DREAM Act. It is clearly stated that it's understood by the person talking. Here's the thing though, they feel, since they were born in the country, they should get some rights in the "instate tuition" issue. Since they would give those rights to people born outside the country. Yes, anyone, including a Dreamie, would have to qualify to get instate. BUT, they feel they're giving equal rights to students born outside the country. Basically, they just want to have that same right of coming from somewhere else and be able to pay in state tuition.

Why do I always get a headache when I come to this forum?

And who's gonna take up my offer of getting organised?

Stop talking, start doing.