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10 states’ AGs + 1 gov tell Trump administration to end DACA … or they’ll sue. - Page 28

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I think there could be ways to argue that this lawsuit does not serve the public good etc...


Let me find what I specifically was ruled on DAPA/eDaca. One was for sure the burden of providing state funded driver's licenses.
I didn't meant to imply that there aren't any valid arguments. My worry is the narrow-minded conservative court of Texas will not find them valid.
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First of all , I am not pessimistic. I just want to be pragmatic. Listen, this is just my own personal opinion. I think there will be very high possibility that DACA will be rescinded by Sept 5th, 2017, here is how I reach this conclusion

DACA is created by executive order , not a law, can be very easily repealed by a stroke of pen . President Trump can do it even without any reason. although he promised to immediately terminate DACA during his campaign trail, but he appeared to be soften his stance on DACA since inauguration. There are only two reasons he hasn't ended DACA,
1. he does have compassion for us, he does has a big heart like he said
2. he wants to end DACA, but afraid of the political backlash

Now 10 heartless GOP AG filed official request or threat to urge President Trump to rescind DACA by 9/5/2017. I predict the following outcomes:

1. President Trump ends DACA by 9/5/2017 ( possible)
2. President Trump does not cancel DACA, order Justice Dept to defend in court, keep in mind current Justice Dept is lead by Jeff Session , Jeff Session is NO 1 anti-immigrant, anti-DACA politician in US, So I don't think Jeff Session is going to defend for us. (almost impossible)
3. Congress pass a legislation to help us ( very low possibility) , for 16 years, immigration reform has not happened, but if Democrat compromise on some of the issues such as E-verify, tax reform , healthcare bill, permanent relief for us might be possible

Please share any comment or your opinion!

Thanks very much !
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What you guys seem to forget is that there hasn't been almost a million dreamers exposed in the last 16 years like we are. In my opinion that changes everything. You don't give people a chance to work , drive, contribute for 5 years and just take all that away . The democrats or republicans may not like it but if DACA is taken away , they will be forced to compromise.
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What you guys seem to forget is that there hasn't been almost a million dreamers exposed in the last 16 years like we are. In my opinion that changes everything. You don't give people a chance to work , drive, contribute for 5 years and just take all that away . The democrats or republicans may not like it but if DACA is taken away , they will be forced to compromise.
We definitely won't back down without a fight.
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What you guys seem to forget is that there hasn't been almost a million dreamers exposed in the last 16 years like we are. In my opinion that changes everything. You don't give people a chance to work , drive, contribute for 5 years and just take all that away . The democrats or republicans may not like it but if DACA is taken away , they will be forced to compromise.
I agree , what I think is now DACA is in very dangerous situation , but there also is an opportunity to pressure politicians from both parties to work together to get a solution.
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First of all , I am not pessimistic. I just want to be pragmatic. Listen, this is just my own personal opinion. I think there will be very high possibility that DACA will be rescinded by Sept 5th, 2017, here is how I reach this conclusion

DACA is created by executive order , not a law, can be very easily repealed by a stroke of pen . President Trump can do it even without any reason. although he promised to immediately terminate DACA during his campaign trail, but he appeared to be soften his stance on DACA since inauguration. There are only two reasons he hasn't ended DACA,
1. he does have compassion for us, he does has a big heart like he said
2. he wants to end DACA, but afraid of the political backlash

Now 10 heartless GOP AG filed official request or threat to urge President Trump to rescind DACA by 9/5/2017. I predict the following outcomes:

1. President Trump ends DACA by 9/5/2017 ( possible)
2. President Trump does not cancel DACA, order Justice Dept to defend in court, keep in mind current Justice Dept is lead by Jeff Session , Jeff Session is NO 1 anti-immigrant, anti-DACA politician in US, So I don't think Jeff Session is going to defend for us. (almost impossible)
3. Congress pass a legislation to help us ( very low possibility) , for 16 years, immigration reform has not happened, but if Democrat compromise on some of the issues such as E-verify, tax reform , healthcare bill, permanent relief for us might be possible

Please share any comment or your opinion!

Thanks very much !
Very detailed post and I like that you're being pragmatic and descriptive. Here are my observations. I get irked when DACA is referred to as executive order. It was more of a DHS memorandum/act of prosecutorial discretion. But anyway, you're absolutely right that it can be taken away just as quickly as it was put in place. Here are a few of my major observations/insight on this:

- I actually think DACA can be defended in the courts. I am no lawyer but if Sessions isn't willing to fight it out..is there any possibility the DACA recipients or groups like ACLU can sue or get involved to keep it alive? I mean the thing has been running since 2012. It was never challenged like DAPA. That just sets a precedent in my opinion.

- After looking at the health care debacle, I am very disappointed and frankly am pessimistic about any type of law passing. I am afraid that the DEMOCRATS will not cooperate in order to keep Trump from having a "legislative victory."

- I hope the other AGs write a letter to Trump urging him to keep DACA alive. I'm a state employee myself. I almost feel like I should write to my AG to ask him to do this.

- Finally, I don't think DACA will be rescinded IF TRUMP holds his own and doesn't cave into the establishment..losers like Jeff Sessions. Imagine how he must be feeling right now having that letter in hand but not being able to do anything.
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We definitely won't back down without a fight.
If it does get to the court, we know these AGs have already pick Judge Hanen, this judge is going to do the same thing to DACA just like he did for eDACA and DAPA. DACA will most likely be blocked. So I think only congress can save us, in order for congress to act, democrats have to compromise on something the republican party wants, otherwise it is not going to happen, then our lives are ruined. we are then fucked

Think about it why these GOP AGs picked Sept 5th, 2017 as deadline, I think the GOP want to use dreamer as leverage to get democrats to compromise
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If it does get to the court, we know these AGs have already pick Judge Hanen, this judge is going to do the same thing to DACA just like he did for eDACA and DAPA. DACA will most likely be blocked. So I think only congress can save us, in order for congress to act, democrats have to compromise on something the republican party wants, otherwise it is not going to happen, then our lives are ruined. we are then fucked

Think about it why these GOP AGs picked Sept 5th, 2017 as deadline, I think the GOP want to use dreamer as leverage to get democrats to compromise
One thing is for sure though. In the case DACA is rescinded, the existing work permits would be allowed to run until expiration date...what's your opinion on that? You seem like a knowledgeable guy/girl on this topic I must say, hence I'd like to know what you think about that?
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One thing is for sure though. In the case DACA is rescinded, the existing work permits would be allowed to run until expiration date...what's your opinion on that? You seem like a knowledgeable guy/girl on this topic I must say, hence I'd like to know what you think about that?
I believe that is correct. The only thing that will be gone are applications, renewals, and immunity to deportation.
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Very detailed post and I like that you're being pragmatic and descriptive. Here are my observations. I get irked when DACA is referred to as executive order. It was more of a DHS memorandum/act of prosecutorial discretion. But anyway, you're absolutely right that it can be taken away just as quickly as it was put in place. Here are a few of my major observations/insight on this:

- I actually think DACA can be defended in the courts. I am no lawyer but if Sessions isn't willing to fight it out..is there any possibility the DACA recipients or groups like ACLU can sue or get involved to keep it alive? I mean the thing has been running since 2012. It was never challenged like DAPA. That just sets a precedent in my opinion.

- After looking at the health care debacle, I am very disappointed and frankly am pessimistic about any type of law passing. I am afraid that the DEMOCRATS will not cooperate in order to keep Trump from having a "legislative victory."

- I hope the other AGs write a letter to Trump urging him to keep DACA alive. I'm a state employee myself. I almost feel like I should write to my AG to ask him to do this.

- Finally, I don't think DACA will be rescinded IF TRUMP holds his own and doesn't cave into the establishment..losers like Jeff Sessions. Imagine how he must be feeling right now having that letter in hand but not being able to do anything.
There must be a political motivation behind this move by these AGs, they could have filed this request earlier, now it's filed 2 weeks after DHS announced that DACA will remain in place. and the deadline date they picked. They definitely want to force the democrat to compromise on some issues.

Every politician knows that it's impossible to deport all of undocumented immigrants in US, because it will cause huge detrimental effect on US economy and create a lot of tragedy. It is not supported by vast majorities of Americans.

I think Republican is worried about if they approve an amnesty , most of the undocumented immigrant will become Democrat 's voters in the future.
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