End of the filibuster? - Page 3

maybe not. that is the problem. what if they do border security and everify without dream act. what if they make it a criminal offense. - might be easier to do these things... i really hope that 2012 the democrats win big time and change the senate rules then.. i don't think it would be smart to do it right now

Exact point there was action on CIR when the unemployment rate was 5.% when its 10.0% its a whole different situation. You keep saying Republican this and that but there has always been Democrat opposition that has kept immigration reform from passing. Hence the 5 democratic votes that blocked the dream act this time. If you have a democrat senator or house member in a republican state then they are going vote against or they will lose there seat. Since the Dream Act could not get the votes for closture then any immigration bill now has to go back to the house before it makes it to the senate for a vote. Laws are what will need to happen this fight needs to be moved to the courtroom rather than legislative branches because the courts can make you or break you without politicians being involved. If the requests for immigration acts like Dream Act or immigration reform pass the constitutional mustard then that is the best place to fight for action as you can tell what we are doing is not working we need new idea rather rehashing the same message.

E-verify won't happen without a CIR first.

Okay let me clear this for some of you.

If you want to change one rule, sometime mid-congress you need 67 votes.

If you want to do a complete overhaul (scrape every rule and make a new set) then on the first day of congress (jan 3rd of every odd year) any senator can ask for a motion to declare a new set of senate rules (house for example votes on new rules every 2 years), then the Vice President can either go with this which then will take 51 votes to scrape the old rules (then negociate on new rules until a set of them reaches 51 votes) or say no and old rules will be held.

You want E-verify,border security,increased charges for illegal immigration to pass before CIR or Dream Act because this will relieve the pressure on voters who are against chain migration and giving jobs to illegals instead of Americans. Again you have to look at things through both sides of the argument and figure out what the negotiable points are and what can be conceded to win something. Right now there is not a time to tell people what you want or else because they hold every card in the deck the immigration cause hold none. This needs to go the courts see what can be won on the basis of the constitution and then go from there.

Give me an explanation on why you think E-Verify wont pass before CIR. You have to ensure the people that there will be no more immigrants taken American job before we get the votes you need so every policy will have to be enacted before immigration reform. You dont really think people trust the politicians on this issue do you. Its a"show me" type of deal secure that border before we even discuss immigration we have been here for at least 9 years on this issue. The US voters want to know that we will not have any immigration to this magnitude again in our history to prove that there are going to want to see E-verify, Border security, less Visas, more job protections its just how its going to happen. President Reagan did a good thing by giving amnesty to 4 million but he did not enforce the security part and that is why we are here. The US wants to make sure the security is done first. You cant blame them on that point can you? If I pass a bill and tell you this going to happen and instead you get 10 times of the different side your going to pissed off that is were we are.