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2,900 Convicted Criminal Immigrants arrested.. In a week! - Page 3

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#21
10-01-2011, 11:44 AM
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Clearly you do not know the situation or else you would not have accused me of being a "hypocrite, bigot ... [having a] case of entitlement," or attempt to equate the conscious decision of a near adult border jumper to the decision every DREAMer must make to decide to stay in this country or leave before our 18th birthdays in order to prevent the accrual of unlawful presence.

Further, you still fail to see the illicit nature of REPEAT border offenders. This is a curious fact, as several other members on this forum, primarily from Mexico, share in your sentiment in that they have admitted to consistently "jumping" the border, traveling at will to and fro Mexico for reasons as petty as

In my opinion, as well as that of those lawmakers pushing for immigration reform, repeat border offenders should not be given a chance to obtain legal status. So, on this note, I, as well as many others, draw the line in saying that a reasonable balance between comprehensive immigration reform and respect for border security be struck.

A recent appeals court decision in the case of State of Kansas v. NICHOLAS L. MARTINEZ seeks to clarify the distinction over the "illegality" of undocumented immigrants.

Further, the very purpose of the DREAM Act is Inherent in the DREAM Act is the belief that DREAMers, arguably most of whom are by now over the age of 18 and thus in the process of accruing unlawful presence, Hopefully this clears things up for you though it probably won't.
You are not entitled to anything, and you're just like us. You are not an American citizen so stop lying to yourself, and just because you're delusional doesn't make your case right. Repeat offenders is just that. They come here to work and pay taxes just like everyone else. Yes, you do get the occasional criminal(s), but the majority are exceptional workers comparable to slave laborers with what they do. That in MY opinion speaks volume compared to your entitlement issues.
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10-01-2011, 12:52 PM
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You are not entitled to anything, and you're just like us. You are not an American citizen so stop lying to yourself, and just because you're delusional doesn't make your case right. Repeat offenders is just that. They come here to work and pay taxes just like everyone else. Yes, you do get the occasional criminal(s), but the majority are exceptional workers comparable to slave laborers with what they do. That in MY opinion speaks volume compared to your entitlement issues.
My thoughts exactly.

H3wllet, where the hell do you get the idea that your better than anyone else? You're just a fucking illegal like the rest of us, and furthermore, I was NOT defending criminal aliens who are guilty of violent crimes, sex crimes, etc. I was merely standing up for those that are considered "criminals" because they got arrested for a minor infraction like driving without a license. If you drive, then remember that you can get pulled over at any time, and if you get an asshole cop you can have your ass deported to your home country and then be considered a "criminal".
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10-01-2011, 01:08 PM
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The text of the current DREAM Act states that to be eligible you have to have entered the country at age 15 or under, and be 35 years of age or under at the time of enactment. And the administration is misleading everyone into believing that they are catching only criminals. Anyone who lost a case in immigration court and did not leave the country will be considered a "criminal", even though immigration violations are civil in nature.

Did anyone else notice the guy from Florida whose deportation case was dropped, Manuel Guerra, does NOT qualify for the DREAM act? He arrived at age 16 1/2, so he was let off the hook based on pure speculation that CIR will pass sometime in the future. There is your proof that you do not have to be "DREAM" eligible to qualify for future relief.

LOL at the people who still believe that they are better because they arrived by plane; that they are better because they are "students" (this one is a quadruple ha!); they have a "degree", etc. In this country, you contribute by being independent and paying taxes to keep society running, bottom line. If you still need proof of that in the current economic and social climate, then you are beyond help. There are hoardes of college graduates who won't or can't get a job, therefore sitting on the sidelines and not contributing. Yes, education benefits society in the collective future, but it mostly benefits you.
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I agree. Lumping all immigrants into the same boat is like lumping all Americans into the same boat. Very ignorant. And if you get deported then get caught comming back in, well you knew the risk when you did it and decided to come anyway. You knew that even if you made it back in, you pretty much can't do anything here ever except menial work, and with secure communities, you will likely get picked up one day and do time. Someone who got brought here as a youth is just not the same, just like involuntary manslaughter isn't the same as first degree murder.
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10-01-2011, 03:47 PM
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one could even make the argument that a repeat offender crossing over for the 2nd/3rd time is a more valuable member of society since he is earning a wage and stimulating the economy via taxes/buying as opposed to many dreamers who just sit at home and do nothing and in some cases take government aid for their education.

I don't know, I just won't call someone who's trying to improve their life and/or family's a criminal. I just can't bring myself to become such a raging hypocrite.

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My braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain hurts.

I am well aware that I am not an American citizen. However, a potential DREAM Act beneficiary is not equivalent to an undocumented person who repeatedly shows disregard for current border security. I cited an "in-house" example of one such forum member who admits to crossing the border illegally merely for the sake that,
"Mexico's is/was an awesome place to drink on weekends and vacation on summers. Source. "
weird, I don't recall ever saying I did so illegally...
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one could even make the argument that a repeat offender crossing over for the 2nd/3rd time is a more valuable member of society since he is earning a wage and stimulating the economy via taxes/buying as opposed to many dreamers who just sit at home and do nothing and in some cases take government aid for their education.

I don't know, I just won't call someone who's trying to improve their life and/or family's a criminal. I just can't bring myself to become such a raging hypocrite.



weird, I don't recall ever saying I did so illegally...
Exactly my point.

Contributions to American society and economy happen once you join the workforce. If all of your identity and existence is wrapped around being a "student", guess what? Once you leave the campus, your employer doesn't care how good of a student you were, either you can do your job - and do it well- or you cannot. Either you are committed to your company or your eye is on the door for the next "better" thing.

Employers are even more keen of that now, and with limited resources, job openings, and scant credit, you will need to outperform other employees. Uncle Sam wants your contributions to the federal, state and local tax coffers and your earnings to keep entitlement programs running. No one, and this I can guarantee, who'd have the chance to come to this country "legally" and pay appropriate fees, etc; would decline or refuse to do so. That is how dysfunctional, illogical and downright unrealistic the current immigration system is.

Entering the country without authorization = unauthorized status.
Remaining in the country without authorization = unauthorized status.

Lots, LOTS of "Dreamers" are rejected/bogus asylees whom during all these years have benefitted from work authorization and valid SS numbers; LOTS of dreamers gladly take aid from state government that is funded by the state taxpayers - read WORKERS, as well as state-subsidied higher education, aka, in-state tuition. LOTS of dreamers' families gladly have taken state-funded Medicaid. Until and when you are fully on your own, you cannot possibly criticize nor even imagine what is like to be on others' shoes without encountering their challenges.
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one could even make the argument that a repeat offender crossing over for the 2nd/3rd time is a more valuable member of society
Mother of god...



No wonder the Dream Act will never pass.
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Mother of god...



No wonder the Dream Act will never pass.
sadly that's the reality we live in, our degrees are collecting dust and as is, we can only contribute the same as our low payed brethren (if we are even humble enough to get a job in the first place). It's a ridiculous statement I made on the previous post, but so is calling repeat border crossers criminals.
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10-02-2011, 12:39 AM
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sadly that's the reality we live in, our degrees are collecting dust and as is, we can only contribute the same as our low payed brethren (if we are even humble enough to get a job in the first place). It's a ridiculous statement I made on the previous post, but so is calling repeat border crossers criminals.
Then leave..? You're not welcome here. What makes you think you're entitled to live in this country, so much that you even think you have the right to hop back in after being deported? It's called trespassing. Overstaying a visa is one thing, but crossing the border without inspection is a crime.
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