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House GOP Strategy: Offer 'Dreamers' Citizenship, Stick It to Democrats - Page 3

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I remember this because my mom was trying to apply for a special waiver at the time and things got pushed aside as soon as 9/11 happened.

I'd be stating the obvious that this changed how America viewed immigrants.
It did change the views, no doubt about that.

I remember my mother use to get her License renewed by just going with her Social, after 9/11 they made it so much more difficult for everyone.
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I don't know. Either way, none of the advocacy groups are getting behind this.
If you look at the electoral map it still looks like the House Republicans might maintain a majority next year because of redistricting,but I also think there might challenges from the right or an effort to harden the GOP position against any reform efforts if there is a potential stalemate in this Congressional cycle.The advocacy groups need to be a bit more careful concerning their early efforts of condemnation without details.I understand they're very concerned the House GOP is writing the 'Kid's Act' without input from Democrats or with any advocacy organizations but we should not bring the cart before the horse and wait until details are released in the coming months.

My other main concern is if House Republicans win next year we might have to wait on what new President will be elected and will they be favorable to continuing DACA should the current immigration efforts come to a stalemate.
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If you look at the electoral map it still looks like the House Republicans might maintain a majority next year because of redistricting,but I also think there might challenges from the right or an effort to harden the GOP position against any reform efforts if there is a potential stalemate in this Congressional cycle.The advocacy groups need to be a bit more careful concerning their early efforts of condemnation without details.I understand they're very concerned the House GOP is writing the 'Kid's Act' without input from Democrats or with any advocacy organizations but we should not bring the cart before the horse and wait until details are released in the coming months.

My other main concern is if House Republicans win next year we might have to wait on what new President will be elected and will they be favorable to continuing DACA should the current immigration efforts come to a stalemate.
It is disappointing to hear that the age cap could be under 25, though. It's laughable that they would exclude most of the same activists that helped make DACA possible and the original DREAMers who have been waiting on this bill since 2001.

Would the House have to conference with the Senate over a DREAM Act bill if KIDS Act passed?

Or will they have to conference with the Senate over the Senate's comprehensive bill if any immigration related bill passes the House? I remember reading that several House Reps were scared that if anything immigration related, including border security bills or even the DREAM Act, passed the House, then that would lead to the "Senate bill being shoved down their throats".
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they could totally surprise and put no age cap but the KIDS name in it kind of gives it away
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It is disappointing to hear that the age cap could be under 25, though. It's laughable that they would exclude most of the same activists that helped make DACA possible and the original DREAMers who have been waiting on this bill since 2001.

Would the House have to conference with the Senate over a DREAM Act bill if KIDS Act passed?

Or will they have to conference with the Senate over the Senate's comprehensive bill if any immigration related bill passes the House? I remember reading that several House Reps were scared that if anything immigration related, including border security bills or even the DREAM Act, passed the House, then that would lead to the "Senate bill being shoved down their throats".
I have to say that it was just a suggestion concerning Gowdy and the age restriction,but he is not writing the bill....only Cantor and Goodlatte are doing so.I suspect that Goodlatte might be responsible for most of the legal language since he was a former immigration attorney and has been a lawmaker for some time.This is why it might be up to individual Dreamers and not the organizations that represent them at this point to try to promote for fairer legislation if possible.


The articles that I'm reading are saying that after dealing with Dreamers the subject of dealing with other undocumented will be dealt with via likely a work visa[w/ travel authorization] only and most if not all of this will have to be meshed with the Senate bill.I'm expecting a completely new immigration bill to be written in conference between the two Congressional bodies if they can agree on a process on how to come up with a bill and are willing to negotiate further.They are likely to be led by Leahy on the Senate side and Goodlatte on the House side in conference,I think.What is most concerning on the House side is who will be the conferees,but I think anything the House passes will have to moderate to possibly get through the Senate!

I'm thinking at this point when everything is final

-Dreamers will likely get a path to citizenship
-Anti-fraud measures are going to be high so other undocumented are not able to get on this pathway.
-Dreamers who Naturalize will likely be applying for permanent residency for their parents.

The hard parts I think during Negotiations will be
-Should Dreamers abroad be allowed a chance to apply from abroad,

-What initial status is given dependent on the trigger[and what type] and how fast that would lead to US residency,

-Whether to include an age limit or not.If one is proposed how does that affect aged out dreamers.


I think the most prevalent immigration argument on why older dreamers should be included is to just to look at the implementation of CSPA and the many individuals who aged out with pending petitions.
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Christ, I need to start looking for a girl to marry or start plotting what I'm gonna do after. Only got like 2 or 3 years left of guaranteed status.
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