DREAMer accused of brutally raping woman in Seattle suburb - Page 3

1) it wouldn't have. It's just an attempt to try to break down the messaging from far left advocacy groups that all DREAMers are model citizens of high morals and character.

2) it wouldn't have been. It's just an attempt to break down the messaging that sanctuary cities make everyone safer by pointing to a situation in which someone was not safe.

This is a bad attempt from the right counterargue a bad argument on the left.

I wish the country could just have serious concersation about a serious and complex issue rather than each side pushing its faulty agendas not recognizing that they both have real concerns and real misconceptions.

Exactly my point.

How so? If he didn't have DACA we don't know what he could have end up doing.

Let me give you an example, if I didn't have DACA I could have been a drug dealer or do illegal stuff in order to get by. If I was caught I would get deported.

You can't predict what could have happen if he didn't have DACA. He could have been deported if he didn't have DACA or he could have committed that crime without DACA as well.

We don't know.

My rationale is that he could have committed the crime with or without DACA. And he could have not committed the crime

You guys are trying to be rational, but right wingers are at war with us and few things they throw at us are logical. The perception is that "Illegal guy got amnesty and raped American, therefore, all immigrants have to be deported".

I don't think anyone is denying that that argumentation is illogical.

I can only speak for myself, but I think that this illogical thinking that right wingers are throwing at us is a response to the illogical thinking of left wingers trying to defend us. If you so much as suggest that some undocumented immigrants should be deported due to some crimes, you will be labeled as an ignorant and hateful xenophobe by the left. I actually think that the left's failure to listen to the right's real concerns has us led to this rise of illogical argumentation.

I think that we can even see this in Trump's election. Trump was indeed a whitelash.... a whitelash against the left's unwillingness to listen to real concerns and feel so holier than thou as to even not even want to adress misconceptions.

This is a 100% truthful post. The social justice warrior agenda & extreme political correctness really damaged the reputation of the Democratic Party. At one point a decade ago, they were strong because the Republicans were despised because they were perceived as too xenophobic and war mongering but now it's just been flipped.

What a POS

Sorry but you kind of went off the deep end with your rant against the left. And you're wrong that the left doesn't support deporting criminal immigrants. The only times that I complain (I'll speak for myself too) is when the people on this very same site use the same definition of criminal that right wingers use in order to justify someone getting deported.. I don't think someone who is here without documents or had a final order of deportation is automatically a criminal who should be deported if they try to adjust their status. The right does.

I have never seen anybody on the left defend an immigrant who is convicted of rape or other serious crimes. Most people on here don't have any sympathy for those who have committed a DUI.

Back to my original point about logical, I meant that we are preaching to the choir here when we say that there are always bad apples in the bunch and this was a VERY isolated case that doesn't reflect on the Dreamer community as a whole. Of course that's logical and true! You'd have to have a very anti-immigrant agenda to think that every Dreamer is a potential rapist and should be deported over the actions of one person. Alas, that's what our enemies think. That's what we're dealing with from the right wingers. They aren't logical.

It wasn't because of SJW. It was because of economics and race. People, in particular white people in the rust belt have seen their quality of life go down because shifting economic trends and they didn't get retrained in other fields to keep up and here came a guy who celebrated their ignorance and gave them a simple answer for a very complicated issue. The simple answer was "it's them immigrants' fault. Vote for me, and I'll bring things back to the way they were 60 years ago".

So because of that, a lot of angry old white people who didn't vote before in key states got up and voted and a lot of Democrats had protest votes for Bernie or Jill Stein and it created a perfect shit storm and here we are.

It's not as if he won by a landslide either if you recall so nothing has flipped. 3 million more people are on our side and we even gained a few seats in congress. Things will flip the other way in 2018 and 2020.