'Dreamers' deadline looms for Trump - Page 3

Well, that's the whole point. You would not have had DACA in the first place if it weren't for Obama and you're just much more grateful for a possible scenario with Republicans passing CIR. We dont even know what's going to happen. Wait to see what happens before talkign about how you're going to vote for Republicans forever. We wouldn't be even in this position if it wasn't for the initial act of DACA.

Yes, I am quite aware of the uncertainty. Thank you for your advice. I've used the word if numerous times and I'm an experienced undocumented person who is very well aware of how messed up Congress is on immigration. So I think you'd be better served to lecture someone else about waiting before talking. I had to make that disclosure that I'm grateful to the Democrats before people here start scolding me for being "ungrateful." People are very small minded and just refuse to get the fact that I don't owe them anything nor do I owe anything to the Democrats. The immigrant community has won them elections countless number of times. They are the ones who owe us legalization. And as far as DACA is concerned, the wise people knew for sure it was not going to be ended on "Day 1." Trump has done a great job in keeping it alive and I support him right now. Supporting him doesn't mean I am "ungrateful to Obama."

This.

We are grateful to Obama for taking action on DACA, but we don't follow all progressives like zombies because some don't give a shit about us when our lives are on the line. Example? Some bernie supporters and the last election. Like I have ranted before, some refused or wasted their vote when they could have helped us by voting for Hillary. Many rejected my pleas for help. So, motherfuck those progressives and all the fear mongering ones.

As for Trump, we should all be grateful this "racist" has kept DACA. He didn't have to keep it, but he has done so. Yet, there you are..some of you ungrateful fucktards attacking him on social media..."Trump..you kept DACA, but you are still a racist!!"

Incoherent shit. Oh, 2face and I love to curse because civility does not accurately reflect our anger and frustration over how fucktarded, blind, and politically incompetent some of you are.

Even if Hillary had won, DACA would still be in danger. Sure we wouldn't be question g whether her administration would defend the program, but we would still be living in anxiety. Only congress can truly help us by acting on legislation. Let's hope they do so.

Stay on topic. Stop with the personal insults. This is why so many threads are being closed.

Judge Hanen stopped DAPA because the Obama administration 'forgot' to submit it for the required 60 period for public comment. By 'forget', I mean sabotaged. How can lawyers at DHS, White House, DOJ not do it??? That is what prevented DAPA's implementation that the nonprofits do not want the immigrant community to know. Judge Hanen wrote so in his injuction.

Daca was submitted to public comment for 60 days, hence effective date was August 15 2012 and not June 15 2012.

But again, Daca is discretionary and not law, so Congress has the opportunity to fix this right now.

La sigh.

Normally wouldn't bother to respond, especially to you. But this constant and repeated refrain gets tiresome after a while; it’s like a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, but ultimately signifying nothing as it comes from a place of willful, self-incurred ignorance.

Contrary to your oft repeated delusion, the 'Bernie crowd', the 'progressives', or her 'liberal-base' generally who didn't turn out, where not, in fact, as instrumental in throwing the election for Hillary and the Dems. Her and her's managed to do that effectively themselves.

That's according to the conclusions of a study commissioned by the DNC itself, and now tacitly endorsed by both senior Dems and members of Clinton’s campaign and officials at the Democratic data and analytics firm Catalist.

In short, she lost because voters who previously voted Obama in 2012 voted Trump instead - that is, the Obama-Trump blue collar white voters, accounted for more than 2/3 of the reason she lost - the rest was mostly running one of the worst campaign in political history - a fact also agreed on by a number of senior Dems and Dem strategist.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...147475484.html

An analysis from the NYT, which called the election first for Trump during election night, has also corroborated that fact. Noting:

To the extent Democratic turnout was weak, it was mainly among black voters. Even there, the scale of Democratic weakness has been exaggerated.

Instead, it’s clear that large numbers of white, working-class voters shifted from the Democrats to Mr. Trump. Over all, almost one in four of President Obama’s 2012 white working-class supporters defected from the Democrats in 2016, either supporting Mr. Trump or voting for a third-party candidate.

The increase in white turnout was broad, including among young voters, Democrats, Republicans, unaffiliated voters, urban, rural, and the likeliest supporters of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump. The greatest increases were among young and unaffiliated white voters.

For this reason alone, it’s hard to argue that turnout was responsible for the preponderance of Mr. Trump’s gains among white voters. The turnout among young and white Democratic voters was quite strong.


Based off analysis of official voter files — data not available until months after the election against pre-election projections.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/u...ns-defeat.html

The Democracy Fund Voter Study Group (DFVSG), a non-partisan group, also came up with similar conclusions, among many others.

Encourage you to read - even though I know you won't

https://www.voterstudygroup.org/repo...016-and-beyond

Of course, you’re entitled to your delusions that a marginal minority within the Democratic wing are expressly culpable for the electoral turnout.

But then there are facts -- and at some point, there is a reality.



Ah….. nevermind, I don’t even care enough to comment any more.



Yeah, I think that describes you perfectly too.

(But what is the real story? This intense animus you harbor for so-called 'progressives'? Are you some kinda of jilted lover who now stalks his girlfriend on Facebook as she gets on with her live advocating progressive causes? Elsewise, this outburst and righteous indignation seems a bit unhinged)

Precisely my thinking. Why the cursing? Because we are morons?


I have in the bank what you would dream to have. Curse me out Smooth! I probably made in stocks your crappy salary!


3Face fate is coming for you! I'm fiscal conservative, but just because of that I'm not gonna curse or damn the whole board.

Does this mean there is a chance eDACA will take effect?

Yes