GOP sets up ‘Dreamer’ showdown with Dems with short-term spending bill. - Page 3

This just means they are throwing shit at to wall to see what sticks!!

MICK MULVANEY: You know, it's funny to see now that the Republicans are in charge I think there's a group of right-wingers in the House who say they want to shut the government down. There's a group of Democrats who want to shut the government down over DACA. And there's a group of lawmakers from some of the hurricane states who want to shut the government down until they get what they want. This just sheds light on the fact that the appropriations, the spending system is broken when any little group can sort of hold the government hostage. We need to get beyond that. I think that we will, I don't think you'll see a government shutdown.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...on-dec-3-2017/

If Democrats cannot stand with those who have grown up as American, then what possible hope can they offer the other 10 million undocumented? What hope do TPS holders have to remain?

TPS will be dealt with by the next Congress, they gave them 18-24 mos.

Chuck Schumer on Twitter: "This is why Democrats are proposing significant border security resources, like new fentanyl detectors, in exchange for the DREAM Act. I hope Republicans will join us. https://t.co/6wTdNKzLsb"
https://mobile.twitter.com/SenSchume...54606765592576

Hope????
No, go fight for what the country needs with all tactics and tools.

300,000+ TPS> 9,000,000 undocumented with no hope in near sight due to both parties' incompetence, though I blame Democrats more because they wasted a decade without real effort.

It's more that there's 3-4 different groups that want to shut the government down. If it was one, maybe it could've gotten rolled over and a budget passed without their demands.

It's kinda like one of the ACA repeal votes in the house failing because Democrats and the Freedom Caucus voted it down for completely different reasons.

Instead as is we have to consider the following:
In the senate McConnell needs 60 votes, Dream Act, CHIP, ACA funding, or shutdown. So he can go out before cameras, lie for 10 minutes but at the end of the line he has to sit down with democrats and accept their demands. The fact that he needs 8 democrats to break rank is something he is not getting over without giving in to all the demands. That bill will either pass with 90+ votes or fail with 52 or under. There is no in between.

It gets more interesting in the house.
You have:
1. Democrats (with same demands as in the senate)

2. Freedom Caucus and Deficit Hawks (no spending without huge cuts on spending)

3. Representatives from places hit by hurricanes (which want more relief spending)

4. Moderates (that would be alright with more spending for disaster spending and democratic demands, but cutting social security would end up with a few cases of murder and jury nullification by the old people in their districts)

5.Paul Ryan himself - now Ryan is the most interesting to the point that he deserves his own point here. He rose to power as a compromise candidate between moderates and the freedom caucus. In that he is really wanted by neither. So his speakership is on shaky ground and he has basically 0 mandate from within his own party and the moment there's a sufficient make up switch (either Freedom caucus becomes the majority, or ceases to exist, or republicans get some serious gains somehow to the point where moderates can appoint on their own) he will be shown the door. So even if he were to want Dream Act to pass and get it over it, the Freedom caucus would tar and feather him, really only course of action is for him to say one thing, let democrats pass it, and then say that he tried to stop it.


I wouldn't go as far as to say that the system is broken, but rather it stopped working because everyone else is pulling in own direction in era of extreme partisanship. After getting stonewalled for years it's obvious that democrats want to stonewall republicans whenever they can.

lol idk wtf did u expect him to say?

"were gonna coerce republicans to vote with us or we will kill them" ???

if we're gonna nitpick everything politicians say, then there is truly no reason to be hopeful.

it seems u just come here to pass blame and whine. what exactly are u doing to advance the agenda?

if ur gonna keep looking to the past then there is truly no reason to be hopeful for the future.

stop fucking whining.

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