DHS Secretary Says Trump Administration Would Consider Pathway to Citizenship for DAC - Page 3

Also, saying that those who were eligible to apply, but did not due to their circumstances- lack of money, poor advice, fear, etc, deserve to be left out is the stupidest statement and absolute trash. If you come to these forums only to put others down while in need, then you are no better than the hardliners who are against you getting relief.

It's the equivalent of telling a patient who is too poor to afford health insurance and whose lack of care has made him a complex case that it is his fault that he is sick.

yeah i actually do tbh. if for some god forsaken reason i am not included, i want the 800k Daca'ers to get relief no matter what and ASAP! but im not gonna come here and say, if im not included there should be no passage for everyone else.

thats just life dawg, thats destiny.. right place right time. if ever im not included, ill cut my loses and move on.. it aint meant to be.

im just saying this because there is a prevailing notion here when aged out dreamers say that the 800k Daca'ers are selfish and are only looking out for themselves. in reality, they are just as selfish as we are.

There we go again with the hippie mindset. Life is not fair. Get over it!

If someone didn't qualify due to age, sure, I understand but there no way someone who qualified across the board, never applied for DACA and now hopes nothing passes because they aren't part of it is justified.

As for money, there were plenty organizations offering FREE services and covered applications fees for those who could not afford it. You are telling me someone could not afford few hundred dollars over the course of TWO years? GTFOH! May be they should get a second job, third, fourth! These are the same kind of people who will end of on Welfare once we become legal /citizens and give the immigrant community a bad name. No thanks to the bad apples!

I am the kind of Dreamer the hardliners want. Infact, I work with plenty of them on a regular basis. 80% of my office is rich white men, most voted for Trump but they want people like me cuz we are hustlers and know how to make it work!

its a ridiculous mindset if we think EVERYONE will be included. we already lost people (DACA people) on the way the last 5 years, shit happens.

in any struggle, we bound to lose people on the way to the goal. if im not included, then so be it but im not gonna come in here and say that if im not included that all you 800k shouldnt get relief.

I can't and won't speak for every aged out dreamer but I remember the feeling of joy and heart break I felt in 2012 when I barely missed the cut off by a few months. I was sad because I missed the opportunity DACA afforded but I was also happy for the people I knew who would benefit from it. My point is it doesn't have to be either or. You can feel both and rightfully so.
I will however say I think it is incredibly selfish and insensitive to hear younger dreamers say things like "get over it", "life's not fair" etc..... forgetting the fact that the dream act only came about because of an older dreamer. Hoping for the best for as many people as possible!

i am willing to wait another 10 years as undocumented for left out aged dreamers. i wouldn't be here without them. simple fact. they got fucked over for DACA, and they can't get fucked over again this time around. for people who came after DACA was enacted, not so much sympathy for them.

nope, the best way for you to help them if they are not included is when you are legalized already.

when you are legalized your freedom is expanded and you can fight for them in broad daylight, rather than fighting for them in the shadows.

i worked with undocumented people/constituents in my district as Congressional Intern but it had limits. it doesnt help that your as powerless as they are.

my Congressman offered me a job as a staffer in Congress to directly work with them in DC but i couldnt take it because im not an LPR.

If there is a reform and they are not included, next reform will come in 20 years. Fuck that; We need to stick together, at least for older Dreamers, is my honest opinion. I've seen so much shit since 1997, I can't imagine older Dreamers getting left out again this time around.

They fought for us and people need to recognize them. There are people who got their DACA paper soon after they turned 16 and lived in this country only for 5 years (many of them still complain) but what happened to the older Dreamers? Older Dreamers who lived here for 20+ -30 years are the ones that raised awareness about us and brought us to this point. They must get included!!!

i cant get behind this notion tbh.

if i was an older aged out Dreamer, i want all 800k DACA'ers to be legalized (if thats the only option). they can honor me by fighting for us in the future election cycles, putting pressure on elected officials, etc.

the best way to honor them is to come out of the shadows and bring their issue to light w/o us fearing deportation anymore.

i will not sacrifice the current 800k to legalize another 2 million this month. (and it doesnt look like we are getting the Dream Act.)

Agreed, who and how can you fight for when you have no power? The sole reason we are able to demand what we are demanding now is that we entwined in the fabric of the American society, it's harder to tear that apart; but when they tear you out and you are no longer useful, who's going to care? Ideology is bullshit as long as it's ineffective, we need to fight for what we have now with reality, gain power and momentum and fight harder for others. We then will have more power and leverage to do so.