Conservatives want to redefine citizenship for illegal aliens' children - Page 4

And german,italiians , Irish, polish all learned english most started off being taught in fire houses and public churches they lived in areas of cities that are still German, Italian,Irish, Polish today.They also were legal paid taxes and all fought in wars. The two class of citizens is what gets me they might be some grand father clause on some of them but in reality if they rule the should of never been citizens then that is it. The only two types of citizens in this country besides legal one and for which the 14th amendment is made law for is the Chinese who we made slaves and brought them here they build our original railroads and slaves who were bought and brought here not under the will. Thats it and if your point is illegals today have assimilated in any manner your wrong that is another one of the strongest points of the opposite side of the debate. Mexicans have never assimilated in large masses or there parents have not learned to read and write English. When Pakistanis,Arabs ,Africans have all done this when coming to America so that is what the other sides see's why do these illegals assimilate but the Mexican,Central and south america have not. Something else to consider.

Do you seriously buy into this whole assimilation bullshit? This is America land of the free, home of the brave. Yes, believe it or not, Mexicans, Central Americans, and South Americans are learning english, there is a billion dollar industry to prove it. Their descendants learn english at a faster rate as well. America has already experience the whole learn English bullshit over and over again, and no it won't have an effect in the 14th amendment with the exception of some xenophobic people that would try to derail it.

Then why do we have to only have US documents put in two languages Spanish and English. See what I mean it cost us billions to do that for only Spanish speakers we don't do that for any other illegal group, but you say that the learning of English is impressive by illegal immigrants billion dollar business. Your right billion dollars of cost to the state and the country to do this.. Again tell me the next time you see US documentation being put in Korean, all the African dialects, Russian, European. So you can say what you want but Spanish speakers are not coming to this country and learning English to assimilate showing the other side you don't give shit about being a American.

Again it depends on the place your living, San Francisco does Korean as well. As for your "Spanish speakers are not coming to this country and learning English", Im a spanish speaker didn't you know?

¿Y si no quiero aprender Ingles es mi problema? Oferta y demanda amigo.

Have you read or understand what the final out come of the US V Wong KIM Ark case finding were? I mean I can go through this with you as much as you want but just to start of were talking about Chinese family that was bought and paid for to come build our railroads in Northern California to the east. That were treated like hell and we would not let them leave until there age got them or they could not work any longer. Here is the last section of the case the most important and realize this is not a understanding of illegal birth right citizenship and the case was never finalized and still to this day is under appeal and Ark was never given citizenship he ended his days under citizenship of Emperor of China.

here is what you are looking for because citizens are the only ones that could own land.
with the intention of returning to the United States, and did return thereto in the month of August, 1895, and applied to the collector of customs to be permitted to land, and that such application was denied upon the sole ground that said Wong in Ark was not a citizen of the United States. [p652]

The case was submitted to the decision of the court upon the following facts agreed by the parties:

That the said Wong Kim Ark was born in the year 1873, at No. 751 Sacramento Street, in the city and county of San Francisco, State of California, United States of America, and [p651] that his mother and father were persons of Chinese descent and subjects of the Emperor of China, and that said Wong Kim Ark was and is a laborer.

That, at the time of his said birth, his mother and father were domiciled residents of the United States, and had established and enjoyed a permanent domicil and residence therein at said city and county of San Francisco, State aforesaid.

That said mother and father of said Wong Kim Ark continued to reside and remain in the United States until the year 1890, when they departed for China.

That during all the time of their said residence in the United States as domiciled residents therein, the said mother and father of said Wong Kim Ark were engaged in the prosecution of business, and were never engaged in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China.

That ever since the birth of said Wong Kim Ark, at the time and place hereinbefore stated and stipulated, he has had but one residence, to-wit, a residence in said State of California, in the United States of America, and that he has never changed or lost said residence or gained or acquired another residence, and there resided claiming to be a citizen of the United States.

That, in the year 1890 the said Wong Kim Ark departed for China upon a temporary visit and with the intention of returning to the United States, and did return thereto on July 26, 1890, on the steamship Gaelic, and was permitted to enter the United States by the collector of customs upon the sole ground that he was a native-born citizen of the United States.

That after his said return, the said Wong Kim Ark remained in the United States, claiming to be a citizen thereof, until the year 1894, when he again departed for China upon a temporary visit, and with the intention of returning to the United States, and did return thereto in the month of August, 1895, and applied to the collector of customs to be permitted to land, and that such application was denied upon the sole ground that said Wong in Ark was not a citizen of the United States. [p652]

That said Wong Kim Ark has not, either by himself or his parents acting for him, ever renounced his allegiance to the United States, and that he has never done or committed any act or thing to exclude him therefrom.

The court ordered Wong Kim Ark to be discharged, upon the ground that he was a citizen of the United States. 1 Fed.Rep. 382. The United States appealed to this court, and the appellee was admitted to bail pending the appeal.

Exactly, this is what the 14th amendment is about. It doesn't matter if your parents are non-citizens you're still under the jurisdiction of the United States. While you're at it, research "Plyler v. Doe". This one talks more about the "jurisdiction" aspect of the the amendment.