US Representative Steve King Has Heated Confrontation With Dreamers - Page 4

No, the DREAM Act is designed for those brought to this country as minors. CIR would include all categories living here illegally.

I do not support CIR because is it amnesty. Been there, done that. It doesn't work. Einstein defined "insanity" as: "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Another amnesty would be utter insanity.

There is little difference between the law passed in 1986 and the current CIR bill passed by the Senate. The 1986 law hasn't been properly enforced. Why should we believe CIR would? As I previously mentioned, we are offered the same promises today as then. We are being told with the passage of CIR, millions will become contributing members of society, employers will be severely punished for violations, our borders will be secured, and this law will solve our "broken" immigration system. In reality, the system isn't broken. The government simply lacks the will to enforce the law.

As in 1986, CIR will grant legal status to millions. But, none of the other promises will be honored. Millions more will stream across the border to replace the newly-amnestied. Greedy corporations will employ the new illegal aliens, and they will not receive as much as a slap on the wrist. It will be illegal business as usual. Mark my words, if CIR becomes law, it will be a huge magnet for millions more to come. That was exactly what followed the passage of the 1986 law; and the reason it did not solve the problem.

Moreover, why would companies currently reaping huge profits from exploiting cheap, illegal labor choose to comply with the law? They already know there will be no punishment. The illegal workers who are being paid under the table surely will not opt to have taxes withheld and lower their take-home pay. No, they will continue to flout the law. Lawless people will not magically become lawful with the stroke of a pen.

Our government can't competently process tax returns, which is why IRS has paid billions of tax dollars to fraudulent filers. DHS is a colossal failure. They can't even monitor simple tourist visas. Of course, they are promising a quality entry/exit system. I'll believe that when pigs fly. As kabs mentioned, USCIS is inept and can't handle a simple address change. You have also illustrated what an abysmal failure they are. Do you honestly believe such incompetent agencies are capable of handling even more? USCIS already has a huge backlog. This will only exacerbate the problem.

Something definitely must be done to end this travesty. But, rewarding those here illegally is certainly not the answer. We must send a resounding message to the world that we will NOT tolerate illegal immigration. This can only be accomplished by refusing to grant pardons to those currently living here illegally.

We already have an immigration law. The current law should be "reformed" to improve the legal process, to make it easier for those who play by the rules. We don't need a law to reward violators, which is the primary purpose of CIR. Amnesty has already been proven to be a failure. Why repeat a mistake?

Most citizens today no longer believe in the "American Dream." That has been destroyed by corrupt politicians, greedy employers, and massive illegal immigration. This will be the first time in U.S. history that children cannot expect to surpass their parent's success or wealth. Unlike former generations, more people in their 20's and 30's are being forced to remain home with their parents. It's a sad state of affairs.

No, "America" hasn't become dependent on cheap labor. However, greedy, unscrupulous employers have indeed become addicted to cheap labor. That certainly won't change with the passage of CIR. This is one factor in the huge income disparity in this country. Corporations reap huge profits, which they do not share with consumers. Do you shop for groceries? If so, you should realize food prices have skyrocketed. Where are all of the so-called "savings" for consumers? I haven't noticed any in the past decade. If anything, prices continue to climb.

You're right. There is no shortage of qualified IT professionals or engineers. In fact, an IT company in Pittsburgh was filmed during a workshop, in which they were instructed on how NOT to hire citizens. There is also no shortage of Americans willing to work construction, hospitality, restaurants, or any of the other so-called "jobs Americans won't do." This is their strategy for replacing citizens and legal immigrants with cheap foreign labor, both legal and illegal. I am glad you realize this.

Yes, Black Americans did indeed fight and die for their rights. As citizens, they were entitled to protest and demand change.

We are indeed being bombarded by illegal foreigners. Most citizens welcome those who come to this country legally. They have generally been an asset. No country's citizens would relish the thought of a foreign incursion of this magnitude. Please don't involve Black Americans and gays in the illegal immigration debate. Citizens of every race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation have a right to be here. Illegal aliens do not. It isn't racist to expect our laws to be enforced.

Yes, most Americans have immigrant ancestors. However, we are not a "nation of immigrants," as most proponents of CIR erroneously proclaim. My parents, grandparents, 6 of my 8 great-grandparents, and all of my 16 great-great-grandparents were born here, or never lived here. Therefore, none were immigrants; and I am definitely not an anomaly.

Citizens are already upset. This incident is but one of many. Two BP agents were recently killed by illegal aliens. One was killed by two Mexican nationals deported numerous times. In addition, the current surge at the border has awakened many to this scourge.

If the majority are coming illegally to work, enforcement of the current laws would make illegal employment very difficult or impossible. The SS card must be replaced with a tamper-proof card using biometrics. Fingerprints cannot be duplicated. Of course, some will continue to enter illegally or overstay visas to give birth to exploit their children. That's another issue that must be addressed.

Yes, I do feel compassion for most Dreamers. But, I feel nothing but disdain for Dreamers who arrogantly make demands. Even people who were staunch supporters are now questioning their stance.

I do have one question: Why didn't Dreamers attempt to adjust status once they reached adulthood? Couldn't you have returned to your countries of origin and applied for a student visa to re-enter this country legally? I have often wondered why Dreamers continued to live here illegally as adults, using fake/stolen SSNs just as their parents. Children are innocent. Adults should be held accountable for their behavior.

What does amnesty mean to you? CIR opposition use the word amnesty as in it's the end of the world or this horrible thing. Amnesty is forgiveness. What is wrong with a second chance to be a functioning member of this country? What is so wrong in forgiveness? You want to blame illegals for this current state of economy? It's pure scapegoat. Blame Reagan, Clinton, and Bush. Reaganomics. Bush tax cuts. Clinton didn't really do anything and I find him equally overrated as Reagan in terms of their popularity as presidents. Try blaming those 3 presidents instead of scapegoating a very small fraction.

So basically, you don't support CIR, but you don't exactly know what solution there should be. Sounds like a typical Republican propaganda. So you don't believe in granting those a second chance in working here legally, yet it's the same fraction that argues illegals should pay taxes. I never understood that logic. How are they suppose to pay income tax if they can't work legally? FIY, my family's been paying income tax every year since we've been here, through our own-assigned SSNs. It's not rewarding illegals to give them a chance to work legally. It's to provide the country a chance to pay income taxes and make the U.S. a better functioning economy.

So again, you have no plan here. Not give illegals amnesty. So I'm directly asking you. You think the U.S. government should wound up 8+ million illegals, and have an immensely huge taxpayer burden by shipping each one out? And how are you going to ship every single one out? It's not a realistic plan imo and it's a huge waste of taxpayer money. If you don't believe in that, then suggest an actual plan. Just keep letting illegals remain in their current status, while continuing to whine about them?

I can only speak for myself,I was brought here on a B-2 visa to visit my mom for a summer visit,well she never sent me back home I was 11yrs old at the time. After your date ends and you continue to stay you are subject to the 3 or 10 yr bar. It doesn't matter that I was minor and my mother screwed me, and I didn't know anything was wrong until it came time for me to apply for a drivers license,immigration wasn't in the four front as it is now. I have never ever used anyone's ss# or name..when I turned 18 my life was over before it even got started. Yes I have worked under the table,but believe me what I did Americans were right beside me. I was fortunate to meet a wonderful woman at 23 whom I have been with ever since our 1st date & that was almost 9years ago..Because of DOMA being struck down I was able to adjust my status, 1 year prior to that I just made the cutoff age of 30 for DACA..whew...This is the only country I truly know, I know it's not a black or gay issue..its a people issue...trust some of these Dreamers were pretty upset about the LGBT community being included in CIR,unfortunately DOMA passed and CIR didn't,,KARMA's a bitch so they say!!! I told very few of my status, I cried often and prayed that one day everything would work out.. For real ,Americans need to see what other countries have to offer or lack thereof to see how beautiful America is and all the freedoms that are given. I wonder if the majority of the undocumented were from a caucasian country would we even be here today.

Amnesty is a deal-breaker. We amnestied 3 million and now have probably an additional 20 million or more. I can only imagine the number we would receive if we passed another. No, it wouldn't be the end of the world. But, it would certainly lead to our ultimate demise. You claim to love this country. If so, you should also want what's best. Enjoy your life here. Your parents made their bed.

No, I don't blame illegal aliens for all of the problems in this country. I have never even implied such. However, illegal immigration is indeed a factor. Illegal aliens are costing U.S. taxpayers billions. It isn't cheap providing each illegal alien child a tax-funded K-12 education, including ESL classes, and free breakfast/lunch programs. That's just the fiscal burden. School standards are steadily declining. Many illegal alien children arrive here illiterate in their native language. It's a daunting task to teach children who don't understand English, yet can't read or write in Spanish. Citizen children are suffering due to this unnecessary intrusion. I shudder to think of the upcoming school year, with tens of thousands of the "new arrivals" enrolling in public schools.

Millions of illegal alien women have given birth in this country. Most have had their pre/postnatal care and delivery paid by U.S. taxpayers. In addition, millions then rely on U.S. taxpayers for assistance in the form of Medicaid, WIC, welfare, subsidized housing, and food stamps. We aren't talking peanuts here. It costs billions of dollars to provide those benefits and services. There are other costs borne by U.S. taxpayers, but these are a few examples.

Every dollar spent on illegal aliens could have helped a citizen, or paid to repair our crumbling infrastructure. We don't have unlimited funds. We are already trillions of dollars in debt. Now, U.S. taxpayers are asked to spend even more on the hordes crossing the southern border daily. We can't support the world. Our own poor citizens are suffering.

I thought I indicated solutions. Perhaps I should have been more specific. We need a tamper-proof national ID card using biometrics to replace the easily duplicated SS card. Only citizens and legal immigrants will be eligible for issuance. Without said ID, employment is denied, period.

We need enforcement of our federal criminal laws relating to ID theft, fraud and tax evasion. Illegal aliens would face the same federal charges as citizens. A conviction would result in deportation after serving their prison sentence. We would actually protect our border preventing their return. We should also deduct the costs for their incarceration from foreign aid to their country. Why should U.S. citizens foot the bill for foreign criminals?

Our border would no longer be a revolving door for illegal aliens. Of course, this will require the militarization of our southern border. We have troops stationed on foreign land protecting their borders. Why on earth are we not protecting our own?

If we fully enforce our current laws, it would be virtually impossible to work in this country illegally. We also must address the shameful abuse of birthright citizenship.

Republican propaganda? Please. I am not a Republican. Nor am I a propagandist. I am, however, well-versed on this issue. Hence, I can discern BS from fact. I don't rely on rhetoric from the left or right. Both have their share of biases. I prefer to deal with reality.

I have never advocated for illegal aliens to pay taxes. That would imply I believe they should be employed in this country, which I do not. Again, if U.S. laws were being enforced, this would not be an issue.

How did your family receive a SSN while living here illegally? I realize DACA recipients were issued numbers, but eligibility for an SSN requires legal status. Otherwise, if illegal aliens could receive an SSN, they wouldn't use their ineligibility as an excuse to steal valid numbers.

As for "forgiveness," please explain what illegal aliens have done to deserve such. I haven't heard even one express contrition. Even God requires a request for forgiveness. Should we also forgive U.S. citizen thieves? After all, stealing IDs is indeed theft. How about tax evasion? Should we release the citizens currently incarcerated for tax evasion? Or, are illegal aliens the only group deserving of a pardon from the IRS? I served on a federal grand jury. So, I know for a fact we indict, prosecute, and convict citizens for tax fraud.

Again, if we enforce ALL laws, it would be impossible for illegal aliens to work in this country. If they can't work, please explain how they will survive. We don't need to deport. How long will illegal aliens remain here if it were impossible to work? Illegal aliens remain in this country simply because they can. Change the climate. Remove the welcome mat. Stop accommodating lawlessness.

Of course, they can always use their U.S.-born children, which is why changes are required. The U.S. should adopt the same citizenship policy as other developed nations. Unless at least one parent is a U.S. citizen U.S.-born children should not be conferred citizenship. They should have the same citizenship status as their parents. Birthright Citizenship is bankrupting this country, and is a HUGE magnet for illegal immigration.

BTW, I didn't realize I am whining. I thought I was responding to this thread from my perspective. There was a time in this country when everyone was entitled to express their thoughts. I may not agree with you, and you may not agree with me. But, an opposing view does not constitute a "whine." I suppose if I supported CIR my "whine" would be welcome. How very tolerant.

As I previously mentioned, I support those who entered this country as children. I can accept them as new citizens of this country, and wish them well. If that isn't good enough, so be it. If I am considered a bad person because I don't also support amnesty for all, that's fine. It makes no difference to me. Either way, I am content with my life.

I am sorry your mother created such problem in your life. That is not your fault. I wish only the best for your future in this country.

As for the bolded sentence, this is not an issue of race or ethnicity. Hispanics receive the lion's share of attention because they account for the vast majority of those living here illegally. I would feel the same if the majority were black, white, or green.

Come legally, and you are welcome, period. I judge people by their character, not skin color.

But, since you mentioned race, I have often said if the majority of illegal aliens were black Africans or Haitian, we would not have massive illegal immigration. It would NEVER have been tolerated.

Hang in there. Brighter days are ahead.

I think most will disagree with you on this. It is great that "you" don't judge people by their ethnicity or race but that does not mean that others don't. If the majority of the undocumented population were white the story would be different. I'm not saying that the anti-immigrant centiment is entirely due to racism, but racism is part of it; I'd say some of the main determinants are racism, xenophobia, lack of education about the economics of migration, and being dooped by extremists.

This is what I mean by lack of economics education regarding the subject matter. Yes, you are right in that educating the children of undocumented immigrants is costly, and that is the biggest cost that the country bares from such population. Other than that, undocumented immigrants use about the same level of government assistance as the average native born. But it makes no sense to stop the analysis there and say "you see, you see, they are going to collapse the economy." I'll just bring up the demographic change for a bit to give you a taste of the benefits of having immigrants here. The US's population of 65 year olds is expected to double by 2050 and there are not enough young Americans to support that population. Country's solve such problems by enticing new immigrants to come into their country. Even after you legalize the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US, there will still be a shortage of youth. But legalizing us is a step in the right direction because we help relieve one of the biggest problems facing the US economy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, think "keeping the social security solvent."

I'm astonished that people like you bring up all these cost figures but never talk about the net outcome. Another difficulty that nations face is their inability to integrate the incoming immigrant population (look at Sweden). The US has a good deal in that the undocumented immigrants fit like a glove; look at the huge increase in interracial marriages, Latinos joining the military, ect. Rand, the OECD, and leading economists have all talked about this. The conclusion by the majority of experts and think tanks is that immigrants and their children will bring "long-term" benefits to most Americans.

And since you brought up the debt, immigration has been considered one of the fixes for the national debt. Tons of CBO reports have been published on the matter. These findings were also backed up by leading economists and social scientists. I can give you a list if you’d like. Anyways, I’m bored of writing about this so I’ll stop there.