Official: Obama to Delay Executive Action on Immigration - Page 4

Originally Posted by Demise

Honestly, I miss George Bush.

Originally Posted by dreamact1982

And some of us were complaining about Bush...This guy takes the cake anyone want to draw a another red line, for him?

Originally Posted by IamAman

Once you bring GW into the argument you lose that argument. Maybe it's because some of you are too young to remember what happened there. GW was being groomed to be the heir apparent even when his dad was still the president and they saw how Pat Robertson won two states in the 1988 primaries and they saw how much support Pat Buchanan received by the religious right in 1992's primaries (yes, I'm old) so G.W. Bush was going groomed to be the neo-conservative golden boy and the darling of the religious right.

He was the equivalent of the pop star that's created in the board rooms where they knew there wasn't much substance, but he looked good, he had the right last name, and he spoke the same language as the religious right without coming across as being too fundamentalist to normal people. He also spoke a few words of Spanish and since Hispanic people tend to be religious, they loved him too and he became the Governor of Texas and was on the fast track to being the Republican candidate. I was in a community college at the time and our sociology teacher called it 3 years before it happened.

Of course, as soon as the 2001 attacks happened, all that Hispanic love bullshit went out the window and we all became the enemy and all that happened was life became worse and worse for all immigrants. I dare any of you to name one thing Bush did for immigrants. Did he help push any bills in the House or Senate? Did he do any executive actions to help anybody?

Come on now, I'm upset too but let's not go full retard.

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010

No. I mean you all. And by you all, that's anyone who's bashing Obama. Since I've gotten my DACA, I've been getting my education, earning money, and taking care of my family. I work at a company I could NEVER have worked at 2.5 years ago. And frankly, a large part of it has to do with a piece of a paper that says I'm authorized to work in the US and have valid ID.

Originally Posted by IamAman

Once you bring GW into the argument you lose that argument. Maybe it's because some of you are too young to remember what happened there. GW was being groomed to be the heir apparent even when his dad was still the president and they saw how Pat Robertson won two states in the 1988 primaries and they saw how much support Pat Buchanan received by the religious right in 1992's primaries (yes, I'm old) so G.W. Bush was going groomed to be the neo-conservative golden boy and the darling of the religious right.

He was the equivalent of the pop star that's created in the board rooms where they knew there wasn't much substance, but he looked good, he had the right last name, and he spoke the same language as the religious right without coming across as being too fundamentalist to normal people. He also spoke a few words of Spanish and since Hispanic people tend to be religious, they loved him too and he became the Governor of Texas and was on the fast track to being the Republican candidate. I was in a community college at the time and our sociology teacher called it 3 years before it happened.

Of course, as soon as the 2001 attacks happened, all that Hispanic love bullshit went out the window and we all became the enemy and all that happened was life became worse and worse for all immigrants. I dare any of you to name one thing Bush did for immigrants. Did he help push any bills in the House or Senate? Did he do any executive actions to help anybody?

Come on now, I'm upset too but let's not go full retard.

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010

First and foremost realize that politics and the economy are dynamic. Obama ran a campaign on "immigration reform" which we all know is nothing more than politics and the economy.There was absolutely no way that the Dems could pass CIR in the first 2 years of Obama's presidency even with a super majority. The unemployment rate in the US in 2009-2010 was about 10% for a good portion of it. http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

They spend 18 months forcing through the healthcare reform. They spend 0 months forcing immigration during that time.

Beneficiaries of CIR would like to think its all about them, but however, when the unemployment rate is 2.5x its norm and the financial crisis of 2008 was worst than the great depression (here) there is NO way that any politician would think about adding 12 million previously illegal workers into the workforce. Period.

Worse than the great depression? That's absolutely hilarious. While I can agree that the financial crash was bad you didn't end up with quarter of the population homeless unable to get a bowl of soup or any kind of clothing. Also, we're all already in the workforce. If you cannot work legally you'll work using fake documents or under the table. I doubt anyone would lose their job if CIR were to pass. More competition? Maybe a little, depends how high up you will go.

So not only are millions upon millions of Americans unemployed, you expect the senate Democrats to change the rules of the senate just to pass a bill that would add more workers to the work force?????? Seriously????

They don't need to change the rules. Just circumvent them once. We are talking about 2 million lives there, if you can't break your rules for that then for what? This is the kind of senate that would be locked in debate while Russians and Chinese would be landing troops on US soil.
Also, if you make a vote on something that means you want to pass it. Not to mention that it was the lame duck session. Whoever got voted out is free to do as they please, and who got re-elected has 2 years during which people will forget about it.
In addition, knowing that democrats did hold the senate after the election they could just completely ignore the fact it happened. By now no one would really remember it happened that way. I bet half the people here don't remember the exact vote.

The announcement of DACA is political, so is the campaign for CIR and so is the campaign against CIR. Its all politics. You should be absolutely grateful that Obama held DACA in his back pocket until his reelection. The economy was still trash, the tea party was gaining power, and Democrats got swamped in the Midterm elections. By enacting DACA Obama widened the margin of Hispanic and Asian voters which carried him over the top since he nearly completely lost the white vote. That was a great political move for him and a great move for us. If Obama couldn't have pulled the margins he did I wonder how you all would be doing under a Mitt Romney presidency. Remember, that was actually close to being a reality..

All the benefits of doing everything by doing very little huh?

So now Obama wins 2012. Summer 2013 even with unemployment stubbornly high and republicans filibustering everything, the senate manages to pass CIR. Then the Nativist, tea party republicans in the house sit on it and do nothing. If you want to call someone spineless, weak, an asshole etc etc, your comments should be directed towards them. The irony of anyone on this forum insulting Obama is that you are throwing the same insults at him that your enemies are. When I read through those posts I thought I was on a tea party blog or something. Its ridiculous.

Oh, they are spineless neutered cowards. But again they are not the ones to run on promise of reforming our immigration system. Obama was and during the first two years he spend all his political capital on getting the healthcare law out. Law that honestly no one understands and in the end most people could've well lived without, and law that is generally seen negatively by the public. Supermajority in congress. Not a single scheduled vote on immigration during that time.

Obama sits back and gives House Republicans all the room they need so that they can't give any excuses that Obama was meddling. And they still do nothing. Obama's biggest mistakes were giving himself self-imposed deadlines and misjudging the impact of his EO in this election. Those were political missteps. However, he could make it worse by enacting the EO's and then losing the senate. Even if Dems are already poised to lose , giving Republicans more ammo to campaign on in states that are typically red and will determine the election is a dumb move.

Honestly he should just nuke it all from orbit. Rule by decree if the house doesn't act. Right now he is on all 4s politely asking the house not to ravage his back area. Clinton became popular when he gave congress the finger and vetoed everything they passed.

I applaud the president for delaying the action as I always thought it was a foolish move to do it in a midterm election year and I'm confident that he will sign the Executive Orders.

See, my problem isn't with Obama isn't even about this executive order thing. It's about the constant lying, delaying, and inaction, with the first two years spend doing nothing on immigration. This is the guy would says one thing and then does nothing and come election season he's like "oh yeah... the Hispanics..." which is exactly what DACA was, and do I support doing the right thing for the wrong reasons? I really don't know.

Originally Posted by Manimhappy

Pretty funny all of you think he owes you something.. I still love him and am thankful for DACA it's changed my life so much I am so greatful for it.