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It's an executive order that can be overturned by any succeeding president. Trump stated he would overturn it immediately and commence deportations within the hour. His whole campaign has centered around demonization of us. I'm confident the only way we will get immigration reform is if republicans change course and rebrand their party to be more inclusive on social issues. Then it'll be a race between democrats and republicans on who can secure us as voters.

Look, Trump is a narcissistic asshole who would say and do anything to get what his wants. At this point I am starting to believe he doesn't really care about the white house but its really just using this chance to further promote his name and boosting his ego. There is simply no way someone would get in front of millions of people and say the things he does. I am even falling into conspiracy theories now about how Hilary and Him are in it together, he acts like an idiot, she attacks him for it. He gets his brand promoted and she gets the country. He knows people take him as a joke but thats the beauty of this. Hes getting all this attention because we are wondering to ourselves, "is this guy for reals?" "No, he would never end DACA DACA is just TOO big to fail" if you're thinking that you might as well use the same logic of him being incapable of doing anything drastic and hes all bark no bite into how he would also be incapable of passing a reform or improving DACA. Must easier for him to get rid of it than to expand it further
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It's an executive order that can be overturned by any succeeding president. Trump stated he would overturn it immediately and commence deportations within the hour. His whole campaign has centered around demonization of us. I'm confident the only way we will get immigration reform is if republicans change course and rebrand their party to be more inclusive on social issues. Then it'll be a race between democrats and republicans on who can secure us as voters.
DACA is not an executive order. It was an order of prosecutorial discretion by Obama's order and DHS was directed to carry it out. You are right that it could be overturned but chances of that happening are very slim even by a Republican President. As far as Trump is concerned, yeah he is an absolute idiot but I don't think deep inside he is racist. I wouldn't vote for him anyway. But I do believe he has been ultra conservative against immigrants only because he wanted to become the Republican nominee. Lately you have been seeing he is attempting to slowly flip flop because he realizes now what a huge mistake he has made. CIR will only pass if EITHER party gets a full proof filibuster proof majority. Republicans are more than capable of passing CIR too. The problem is the parties don't compromise with each other. Democrats don't believe in compromising. They keep saying stupid shit like "path to CITIZENSHIP" instead of saying things like "earned path towards legalization."
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DACA is not an executive order. It was an order of prosecutorial discretion by Obama's order and DHS was directed to carry it out. You are right that it could be overturned but chances of that happening are very slim even by a Republican President. As far as Trump is concerned, yeah he is an absolute idiot but I don't think deep inside he is racist. I wouldn't vote for him anyway. But I do believe he has been ultra conservative against immigrants only because he wanted to become the Republican nominee. Lately you have been seeing he is attempting to slowly flip flop because he realizes now what a huge mistake he has made. CIR will only pass if EITHER party gets a full proof filibuster proof majority. Republicans are more than capable of passing CIR too. The problem is the parties don't compromise with each other. Democrats don't believe in compromising. They keep saying stupid shit like "path to CITIZENSHIP" instead of saying things like "earned path towards legalization."
Well, I have no doubt that any other Republican candidate would have left DACA alone for fear of the ramifications that it would cause the party in the long run. But Trump does not care about the Republican party or its future. This is a man that has changed party registration throughout the years and even donated to democrats. He has tried to flip flop, but also he has tried now to turn African Americans and even Hispanic citizens against immigrants because of "job scarcity". This man is not our ally at all. I agree, but I also believe we will start seeing some Republicans break away from their party and vote with democrats on this issue as they try to preserve their seats. We have seen a lot of Republicans this cycle breaking flank and not throwing their support behind the Republican nominee. In the end, more minorities and millennials need to start voting. Millenials are far more liberal than any previous American generation, but even though we rival baby boomers in terms of eligible voters. Millenials are 30% less likely to vote than baby boomers.
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Well, I have no doubt that any other Republican candidate would have left DACA alone for fear of the ramifications that it would cause the party in the long run. But Trump does not care about the Republican party or its future. This is a man that has changed party registration throughout the years and even donated to democrats. He has tried to flip flop, but also he has tried now to turn African Americans and even Hispanic citizens against immigrants because of "job scarcity". This man is not our ally at all. I agree, but I also believe we will start seeing some Republicans break away from their party and vote with democrats on this issue as they try to preserve their seats. We have seen a lot of Republicans this cycle breaking flank and not throwing their support behind the Republican nominee. In the end, more minorities and millennials need to start voting. Millenials are far more liberal than any previous American generation, but even though we rival baby boomers in terms of eligible voters. Millenials are 30% less likely to vote than baby boomers.
Yes. If Hillary wouldn't have been here, I bet you Trump would have chosen the Democratic Party as his party. All he cares about is branding himself. I believe there will be two winners in November. One, Hillary for winning the election, and two, Trump because has just created such a different brand for himself. Becoming President for him is like acquiring yet another business. Who knows, his policies MIGHT actually be good if he is to win but like I said he is a very big risk. You just can't run a government like a business. He is going to find out the tough way in November. I'm predicting a landslide loss for him.
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Yes. If Hillary wouldn't have been here, I bet you Trump would have chosen the Democratic Party as his party. All he cares about is branding himself. I believe there will be two winners in November. One, Hillary for winning the election, and two, Trump because has just created such a different brand for himself. Becoming President for him is like acquiring yet another business. Who knows, his policies MIGHT actually be good if he is to win but like I said he is a very big risk. You just can't run a government like a business. He is going to find out the tough way in November. I'm predicting a landslide loss for him.
He's actually not a very good businessman though. Just google search trump vodka, airlines, casinos etc. The president can do very little without support from congress. This is why Obama was able to do very little of what he promised. The same would of happened to Bernie. Hillary is a pragmatist, she knows how this system works and the gridlocks a president will face. Trump is selling a pipe dream. The only thing he will do is perhaps ussure in a Third World War. I don't doubt that he will take this presidential bid to the bank. He will probably write books or start his own radio show lol
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He's actually not a very good businessman though. Just google search trump vodka, airlines, casinos etc. The president can do very little without support from congress. This is why Obama was able to do very little of what he promised. The same would of happened to Bernie. Hillary is a pragmatist, she knows how this system works and the gridlocks a president will face. Trump is selling a pipe dream. The only thing he will do is perhaps ussure in a Third World War. I don't doubt that he will take this presidential bid to the bank. He will probably write books or start his own radio show lol
Hence he would be a huge risk. Republicans are so stupid. I feel very bad for that party. They could have easily nominated someone smart and intelligent like Rand Paul who could potentially give Hillary a run for her money but no they went for this guy. But what is getting me is that people are so scared that this Trump will "deport them" lol. Tell you what, his supporters definitely think he is going to be doing that. They have a big surprise coming their way very soon.
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Hence he would be a huge risk. Republicans are so stupid. I feel very bad for that party. They could have easily nominated someone smart and intelligent like Rand Paul who could potentially give Hillary a run for her money but no they went for this guy. But what is getting me is that people are so scared that this Trump will "deport them" lol. Tell you what, his supporters definitely think he is going to be doing that. They have a big surprise coming their way very soon.
Rand Paul and smart should never be in the same sentence. Who you want to be as a trump replacement is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul his dad. The son is a globalist, pro military industrial complex,pro tpp, anti net neutrality moron. Anything you like he dislikes.
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Rand Paul and smart should never be in the same sentence. Who you want to be as a trump replacement is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul his dad. The son is a globalist, pro military industrial complex,pro tpp, anti net neutrality moron. Anything you like he dislikes.
I meant to say it in terms of beating Hillary Clinton. He would have definitely given Republicans an amazing shot at the White House. Not only that. He is very young which means he could have definitely gotten many young people on board (just like Obama did brilliantly back in 200. Also, he could have also tapped into the women, possibly stealing voters from Hillary. You can't beat on that. Everyone is smart in a way. Just because someone doesn't have the same thought as us, doesn't mean that person isn't smart. Just trying to think out of the box. GOP made a big mistake by giving Trump all the limelight. I would be totally pissed off if I was a Trump donor. Where the hell is all that money going to go. The dude isn't serious about winning. This has got to be one of the biggest scams in history.

This is great btw. Finally found people who are willing to engage in a civil and interesting conversation about the Republican candidates and how they would fare against Hillary.
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I meant to say it in terms of beating Hillary Clinton. He would have definitely given Republicans an amazing shot at the White House. Not only that. He is very young which means he could have definitely gotten many young people on board (just like Obama did brilliantly back in 200. Also, he could have also tapped into the women, possibly stealing voters from Hillary. You can't beat on that. Everyone is smart in a way. Just because someone doesn't have the same thought as us, doesn't mean that person isn't smart. Just trying to think out of the box. GOP made a big mistake by giving Trump all the limelight. I would be totally pissed off if I was a Trump donor. Where the hell is all that money going to go. The dude isn't serious about winning. This has got to be one of the biggest scams in history.

This is great btw. Finally found people who are willing to engage in a civil and interesting conversation about the Republican candidates and how they would fare against Hillary.
I think John Kasich or Jeb Bush would of fared better. After the 2012 loss the Republican Party conducted an autopsy and found that the reasons they lost were because they had to appeal to millennial and minorities. Both of these moderate republicans supported a path to legalization. While they fell short of wanting full citizenship it definitely was moving the Republican Party in a better direction. Unfortunately, trump came out calling us rapist and took all the moment out of Jeb bush. Literally, the days after he called Mexican immigrants rapist his polls shot up and he had captured the attention of the republican parties base. That's why the Republican Party is deeply flawed. They have to appeal to this racist hateful base and then try to pivot to the center when it is time for a general election. All of the republican politicians, including Marco Rubio, that had supported legalization for us had to step back from coming out in support of immigration reform. They were trying to outdo each other as to who was more anti illegal immigration.


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Look, Trump is a narcissistic asshole who would say and do anything to get what his wants. At this point I am starting to believe he doesn't really care about the white house but its really just using this chance to further promote his name and boosting his ego. There is simply no way someone would get in front of millions of people and say the things he does. I am even falling into conspiracy theories now about how Hilary and Him are in it together, he acts like an idiot, she attacks him for it. He gets his brand promoted and she gets the country. He knows people take him as a joke but thats the beauty of this. Hes getting all this attention because we are wondering to ourselves, "is this guy for reals?" "No, he would never end DACA DACA is just TOO big to fail" if you're thinking that you might as well use the same logic of him being incapable of doing anything drastic and hes all bark no bite into how he would also be incapable of passing a reform or improving DACA. Must easier for him to get rid of it than to expand it further
No, my argument is that he WOULD end DACA because he does not care about the future of the republican party. I think he would do as much as he can within the powers of the executive branch and the most damage he would do; however, is in relation to foreign policy. No doubt this man would start wars left and right.
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