Democrats are determined to pass the DREAM Act — even if it means a govt shutdown - Page 4

Trump is having a dinner at the wh tonight with members of both parties

That bloke, 2face or whatever, mentioned the 6 (it was actually 5) Democratic 'traitors' for voting "NO" for closure motion, while failing or willfully omitting the 36 'traitor' Republican Senators who also voted no.

Because they have a preconceived bias for Republican (yes, shock of shocks); because they take Democratic votes for granted, as a given, as something owed to them; because they do not feel the same to Republicans votes (commendable exception!), which they rationalize and excuse endlessly.

After which, once they benefit from it enormously by obtaining eventual citizenship, will go on to vote Republican.

People have an amazing capacity to believe something simply because they want to believe it is so, despite the evidence; despite the overwhelming counterfactual starting them in the face.

Thank you for correcting me. You ought to understand that Dem votes are weighted much higher in this case. Secondly I was quite furious at Republican nay voters (I like to refer to them as Tier 2 traitors) ..people like McCain, Hatch, Rubio, and Snowe who voted No in that 2010 bill. You can't call ALL 36 of them traitors because most are guanarteed No's (Ex. sessions) And whenever i encounter someone who calls Dreamers out for thinking that they are "owed/entitled" I don't take that person seriously. You've got no clue of others stories. You shouldn't be telling anyone what they are and what they are not owed. I certainly do hope the Dems pull this though to us but to me all indications are that they will be gunning to come up with a solution by the last day of the 6th month. The person you are quoting in your signature is against Dream Act passing. Trust me on that.

Then there's Pianoswithoutfaith and other folks (from your signature) who would vote Democrat down the line every day until the day the Dream Act passes. Then they also vote Republican. (not sure if Pianoswithoutfaith was joking or not but the concept is the same)

My point is that Democrats may be putting on a huge show (in part) because if they fail, at least they can say they tried. I don't entirely trust the sincerity of Democrats, but I'll go with Democrats over Republicans (and Trump) any day of the week.

Oh I get it


"Because we have to suck up to them wahhhhhh they control both house and senate and daddy trump is republican deep down I know I am a democrat and it hurts to know those 6 democrats voted for no but I know if I can pretend enough to be a republican they will accept me"


What the hell is wrong with these people? Do they not realize we lost DA because these Ag who are all republicans threaten to sue?

The Accounting is simple. 2010 Dream Act Vote - 55 Nays - 41 Yays.

Votes needed For cloture - 60 votes.

Included in Nays - 5 Democrats

Conclusion: 5 Democrats are responsible for death of Dream Act 2010.

Their time has not come to redeem themselves and give us what we are deserving of. All those in support, say AY. Those who don't fuck off.

The accounting is simple. The reader can arrive at their own conclusion.


50 Democrats Yay for Dream Act
3 Republicans Yay for Dream Act

5 Democrats Nay for Dream Act
36 Republican Nay for Dream Act

Let's hope the accounting is more favorable this time.

Edit: Assuming we even get the bill to the floor for votes.

Curious what adding a bit of context can do, eh?

Can someone tell me how exactly Democrats can attach any bill they want to any other bills? Both the house and senate it under Republicans, so I just don't understand the whole situation.

for Republicans to get any of their agenda done, they need 8 Democratic Senators to pass anything in the Senate.

e.g tax reform, another extension for the debt ceiling, harvey/irma hurricane relief, military reauthorization, etc.

so Schumer and Pelosi can literally add any amendments to any bill that Republicans want to pass.