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Nancy Pelosi requires Dream Act for kids who entered under age 18 - Page 5

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09-14-2017, 12:54 PM
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The cut-off age should be 12 if we have any chance of convincing the mainstream media that we were brought in as "kids". 12 would be much more reasonable to sell than 16/17. Just think about it logically. I'm not saying that we stop fighting but we need to start with a REASONABLE compromise. Once 800K of us are taken care of, then we can tackle the rest.
no way 12 should be the cut-off... I think 18 and under would be right since part of the argument is that dreamers were brought by their parents through no fault of their own.
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I searched the term "age" in the entire bill, and all references were to the age of entry for "18". Hope i did not miss any other language in the bill for age cap. It'd be great if someone else could also look at this bill to confirm no age caps.
I see! I would think there would be a cut off year like 'came here on or before 2017 at the age of 18 and below'
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Nancy Pelosi and her Democrat colleagues are making a big mistake by raising the cut-off age. No ordinary Americans are going to believe that > 16 year olds were "kids" when they were brought in. This is just supplying the ammunition to the opposition.

If anything, we should be pushing for more practical cut-off age. Selling the idea that we were kids (when brought in) under 12 is MUCH more feasible than classifying 16, 17 and 18 year olds as "kids", which we all know is a bit of a bs.
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I see! I would think there would be a cut off year like 'came here on or before 2017 at the age of 18 and below'
I think you misread what i said. There is a 18 year old younger arrival date in the bill. But no mention of what current age is for cutoff. That's called the age cap. Example, a DACA kid came to US at age 15, but now is 31 years old. The 31 year part is the current age cap portion, did not see any mention of that in the bill.
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Is not being selfish though, the problem when they start changing stuff to legislation is then it becomes from 800k about to get something, to those 800k not getting shit because "Legalize everyone" or "Up the age cap"..
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I see! I would think there would be a cut off year like 'came here on or before 2017 at the age of 18 and below'
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(A) the alien has been continuously physically present in the United States since the date that is 4 years before the date of the enactment of this Act;
(B) the alien was younger than 18 years of age on the date on which the alien initially entered the United States;
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Nancy Pelosi and her Democrat colleagues are making a big mistake by raising the cut-off age. No ordinary Americans are going to believe that > 16 year olds were "kids" when they were brought in. This is just supplying the ammunition to the opposition.

If anything, we should be pushing for more practical cut-off age. Selling the idea that we were kids (when brought in) under 12 is MUCH more feasible than classifying 16, 17 and 18 year olds as "kids", which we all know is a bit of a bs.
No. Any bill must cover all original DACA recipients, that's why we're getting relief in the first place, because DACA was cancelled. I agree that they should be careful on raising the age of entry.
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Nancy Pelosi and her Democrat colleagues are making a big mistake by raising the cut-off age. No ordinary Americans are going to believe that > 16 year olds were "kids" when they were brought in. This is just supplying the ammunition to the opposition.

If anything, we should be pushing for more practical cut-off age. Selling the idea that we were kids (when brought in) under 12 is MUCH more feasible than classifying 16, 17 and 18 year olds as "kids", which we all know is a bit of a bs.
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What is wrong with you?

A 17 year old is not less likely to follow his parents if they choose to immigrate to another country, than a 4 year old.

Also, in the US you reach legal age and can vote at 18. That's because you are deemed mature enough to make your own decisions and critically analyze various things. It's when your brain is fully-developed.

How can you expect a 16 or 17 year old to make that decision to not follow his parents?

Especially if there is violence/political instability in your home country?!
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No. Any bill must cover all original DACA recipients, that's why we're getting relief in the first place, because DACA was cancelled. I agree that they should be careful on raising the age of entry.
Thank you! Finally someone talking sense!
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no way 12 should be the cut-off... I think 18 and under would be right since part of the argument is that dreamers were brought by their parents through no fault of their own.
12 is the cut-off point for transitioning from a 'kid' to an adolescent teen with greater decision making responsibilities.

Let's be real, the argument that dreamers who were brought in at >(16,17 and 1 were "kids" at the time of entry is a complete bs. And I say this as a fellow dreamer.

Like I said, we need to compromise in order to get anywhere and raising the age cap does not support our cause.
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