Bloomberg: Senate GOP to Back Trump on Border Wall, Risking Shutdown Fight - Page 5

What has been the point of that strategy if Republicans have time and time and time and time ...and TIME again said they are not going to pass a clean bill. Republicans gave admonitions about this a long ass time ago.

In that time, the clean bill orgs should have spent analyzing in depth which border provisions we can live with and which ones we cannot. From there, the orgs should have accordingly exerted pressure. Asking for a clean bill for the last two or three months has been a waste of resources and time.

I agree with you super pickle.

Well here's a little thing about negotiating, you start high and then go down and see how far down you have to go. If you start low then you have 0 leverage and you're a doormat.

Second thing is if the other part is even willing to meet you somewhere half way, if you look at ACA where they spend 18 months saying no fuck you, then there's no point in negotiating with someone like that.

Unlike Democrats in 2009 republicans don't hold 60 seats to force anything through without nuking the filibuster, reconciliation window closed no abusing that rule either, either they bend or they break. Remember, most people are idiots and have no idea who is running what, they just know who the president is and blame him for every woe of the country.

I have read Trump books and he always deals this way. Asking for the most and he expects the other party to ask for the most as well. So that way they can come in the middle and compromise.

I understand, but that is a stupid strategy to apply here. We are dealing with human lives and a deadline that threatens to drastically ruin the lives of a lot of people if nothing gets passed--not a business transaction or employee pensions. I say go straight to the middle. As far as I am concerned, I perceived Republicans going straight to the middle MONTHS ago. In what way? LEGALIZATION for border security. Or, am I wrong? This is not coming to the middle already? Isn't the republican extreme fuck dreamers; let's deport them?

That's my point; republicans have been signaling they have been wanting to meet at the middle a long time ago, so it is frustrating to see UWD and other like minded orgs not making an effort to do the same.

The most? He has been signaling a deal a long time ago. Legalization and border security. Republicans have been doing the same. Can someone prove otherwise? Guys, these fuckers have been signaling coming to the middle months ago, so why in the thee blue hell are some dreamers still pushing for the extreme? It's annoying and a waste of time.

Fact: Trump and many Republicans have been expressed a willingness to meet a the middle months ago. Immigrant organizations have been pushing for the extreme.

Would the pace of negotiations be different now if these immigrant organizations have met the right at the middle months ago? I think so.

Democrats in Congress (the actual ones who will be voting) have stated a willing to compromise - DREAM Act + some border security (no wall).

Lady’s got a point here. I really hate to say this but Trump is really starting to seem very erratic in his behavior. Somebody needs to give him some medication so he can focus on one area at a time instead of going on Twitter and “claiming victory everywhere.” There’s no doubt he will sign the damn bill it’s about gathering the troops to get shit done is what he is lacking at. He is going against the entire GOP establishment here because he is butthurt they voted down Health Care repeal and replace.

Not all of them. Kamala Harris ring a bell? Aren't there a few others using the same rhetoric? Schumer has mentioned a clean bill as well. You guys can thank UWD for the slow pace of negotiations.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...it_passes.html

https://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/ka...1PgX#.br4R8XoM

At this point, this strategy of pushing for the extreme is so damn annoying. It goes beyond stupidity. Valuable time is being wasted. These immigrant organizations need to start meeting at the middle.