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Suspect in fatal nw houston store shooting in u.s. Under daca program - Page 5

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"vetting is not an issue"
i clearly just showed you that there were problems with it.
and a wall does help stop illegal immigration. how would it not help?
I would say their was minor problems with it but not the way you’re portraying it to be. I personally would agree so with those who in the past qualified even though they had a DUI. I don’t think anyone that has had a DUI should qualify for DACA. Yes we all make mistakes, but these people have the mentality of “screw it” I’ll do it again and then end up killing someone innocent during the process.

However, what I was referring to was about someone that has a clean criminal record and has shown to live in a life in good faith and then somewhere a long the way they commit a crime, you can’t blame the vetting process for that.

I would disagree that the wall will stop illegal immigration. According to a recent study visa overstays outnumbered illegal border crossings and those numbers are expected to continue to rise. How is a wall going to stop that?

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The majority of immigrants settling in the U.S. without authorization are first coming to the country legally, raising questions about the effectiveness of President Donald Trump's plan to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border.

Crossing the border is not the way "the large majority of persons now become undocumented," the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) said in a recent report. Two-thirds of those who joined the undocumented population did so by entering with a valid visa and then overstaying their period of admission, the center reported.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...amp/ncna730216
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I would say their was minor problems with it but not the way you’re portraying it to be. I personally would agree so with those who in the past qualified even though they had a DUI. I don’t think anyone that has had a DUI should qualify for DACA. Yes we all make mistakes, but these people have the mentality of “screw it” I’ll do it again.

However, what I was referring to was about someone that has a clean criminal record and has shown to live in a life in good faith and then somewhere a long the way they commit a crime, you can’t blame the vetting process for that.

I would disagree that the wall will stop illegal immigration. According to a recent study visa overstays outnumbered illegal border crossings and it’s expected to continue. How is a wall going to stop that?



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how am i portraying it?
i've been saying there was problems with it, and there was.
how will a border wall deter illegal border crossings? are you seriously asking that?
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"vetting is not an issue"
i clearly just showed you that there were problems with it.
and a wall does help stop illegal immigration. how would it not help?
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how am i portraying it?
i've been saying there was problems with it, and there was.
how will a border wall deter illegal border crossings? are you seriously asking that?
So you’re just going to ignore the fact that I just showed you proof about why your wall won’t work? Ok lol! Keep believing that this so call wall will stop illegal immigration even though visa overstays are outnumbering illegal crossings.

I hope you also do understand that these people also have underground tunnels as well, and even if they built this so call wall, not every part of the border is going to have it. But yeah let’s ignore the facts.
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So you’re just going to ignore the fact that I just showed you proof about why your wall won’t work? Ok lol! Keep believing this so call wall will stop illegal immigration even though visa overstays are outnumbering illegal crossings. I hope you also do understand that these people also have underground tunnels as well, and even if they built this so call wall, not every part of the border is going to have it. But yeah let’s ignore the facts.
why are you being dense?
you have my two posts for reference in your's and you're still being obtuse.
i specifically said a wall would HELP stop illegal immigration.
you then asked me how a border WALL will help stop illegal border crossings.
like, you actually, don't understand how a border WALL would help deter illegal crossings.
are you ignoring reality???
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why are you being dense?
you have my two posts for reference in your's and you're still being obtuse.
i specifically said a wall would HELP stop illegal immigration.
you then asked me how a border WALL will help stop illegal border crossings.
like, you actually, don't understand how a border WALL would help deter illegal crossings.
are you ignoring reality???
Are you this dumb? Lol how does a wall stop people from crossing underground tunnels? Or crossing through areas were their will be no wall. Putting more border security resources on the border such as manpower and technology will have a lot better results than a wall. I live in a border town, I can tell you that even if there is a wall they will still find a way.

I also gave you reference on how most undocumented are from visas overstays yet you decide to ignore that and you still havent answered how a wall is going to stop visas overstays, a number in which is outgrowing the illegal population crossing around the border.

You’re willing to spend billions of dollars just for what? To help stop a couple hundreds crossing the border? Why not actually spend that money on other resources that can actually make a difference. Most coyotes are making crossing the border a thing of the past now. They have other ways to do so these days and a wall isn’t going to stop them.
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Are you this dumb? Lol how does a wall stop people from crossing underground tunnels? Or crossing through areas were their will be no wall. Putting more border security resources on the border such as manpower and technology will have a lot better results than a wall. I live in a border town, I can tell you that even if there is a wall they will still find a way.

I also gave you reference on how most undocumented are from visas overstays yet you decide to ignore that and you still havent answered how a wall is going to stop visas overstays, a number in which is outgrowing the illegal population crossing around the border.
this is what you're doing, you're bringing up points unrelated to what i was originally saying. this is peak dishonesty.

me: a border wall would help stop illegal crossings
you: but what about the visa overstays?
me:i wasn't talking about visa overstays
you:but they can build tunnels!
me:a wall would still help
you:but visa overstays, what would a wall do to them!
me: i wasn't saying a border wall would help against visa overstays, i clearly said, multiple times, that it would help deter illegal crossings
you: ahhhh, why aren't you arguing the points im bringing up that are completely unrelated to what you were originally saying! you must be dumb!!

my claim was that a border wall will help deter border crossings, you haven't bothered to challenge that claim, likely because you can't and it would help. so i'm going to assume you're just looking for something to argue about by bringing things up unrelated to my original point.
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You’re willing to spend billions of dollars just for what? To help stop a couple hundreds crossing the border? Why not actually spend that money and other resources that can actually make a difference.
oh and also, the argument of wasting money goes completely out the window cause this country wastes trillions of dollars in the name of old men who can only get hard by being in a perpetual state of war.
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The problem is that you’re ignoring the overall issue. You’re willing to spend BILlIONS of dollars for a BANDAID, because that’s all that is, it is a BANDAID that might stop the bleeding just a little but it will NOT solve the overall issue. And although you may not have a problem with it, I’m sure American taxpayers do, and his promise was for MEXICO to pay for it, not us!
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"In a series of agency memos beginning in September 14, 2012, field offices were told to expect the National Benefits Center (which collects all DACA applications) to conduct only “lean & lite” background checks on illegal alien applicants, and that, henceforth, “NBC will not perform full TECS checks or any evidence review on these cases before we ship to the field.” An October 14 memo reiterated that under the new “lean and lite” policy, “Hits will be sent to the field without resolution.” On October 25, the St. Paul Field Director conceded to staffers that the new “lean & lite” procedures were for an indefinite period of time, saying, “I just can’t tell you when things will revert back to the way they used to be.”
Yea...I don't consider judicial watch a legitmate organization. Can you find a source that is legitimate?
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Yea...I don't consider judicial watch a legitmate organziation.
even if you don't things like this aren't meant to be ignored.
they affect everyone of us in the program by letting bad seeds like this get through.
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