Congress close to a deal on border fencing, and Trump might take it - Page 5

September 2017 Trump could have his Wall and we would talking about our brand new greencards then he comes with this 4 pillar 2Face approved cow poop

The optics is really bad for republicans though. If democrats can squeeze votes out of dreamers' hardship for 18 years, then why would republicans not just attempt to legalize dreamers?

- If democrats deny it, it shows that they were just using dreamers for votes.
- If democrats pass it, it'd remove democrats' ability to campaign on it. Democrats would have to find some other immigration issue and those are significantly harder to convince the public. For example, adults that came illegally (you can no longer use the argument that they came through no fault of their own & they don't speak the native language of their country).

Plus in terms of immigration, dreamers would make the best immigrants. Americanized and educated in America. No criminal records & young people. The economy is doing really well and deporting 700k people would actually hurt it because businesses won't be able to find workers, not to mention the cost of deporting 700k people. People that are working or in school are very settled in and integrated to the community already.

It really makes no sense to me from a purely economic & safety view of why the republicans aren't offering dreamer legalization.

Then explain why a very anti-immigrant voting bloc has 70% support for DACA?

Wolves in sheep's clothing. Before the 90's when Dems held congress uncontested for so long, that was the only way conservatives could win in any election, they ran as bluedog Democrats. The Republican governor in my home state is anti-gun and has a lot of pro-liberal stances, because it's a deep blue state. Same difference, same party does not equal same political leanings.

Who are "the Justice Democrats" and in what fictional world do they reside? Is it the MCU or DCU?

You could plan to disrupt Pelosi like those entitled ass imbeciles who came in chanting "Da DeMs R tHe a DEpOrTinG mAchINe" last September and all it does is help Stephen Miller.

The RPs don't want to be primary by the more conservative opponents.

Guys, go watch some tv. Nothing has changed. #DACA4ever. Work, retired, move out of the country and live like a king in your home country.

This whole notion of "WE'RE BEING USED AS POLICAL PAWNS!" is ridiculous and cynical.

Anything and everything achieved through public policy is inherently "political". You might as well say FEMA only helped victims of natural disasters because they wanted people to vote for someone who was pro-federally funding FEMA.

LOL!!!

70% of the Republicans also support medicare for all... So they might be logical and sensible people on certain issues?!?!

Where is YOUR proof that Dick Durbin single handedly made the Republicans like us?! ... NONE...

Justice Democrats are the ones that found AOC, primaried Crowley and got her elected as a Representative... Your SAVIOR Durbin is going to be getting primaried next!!

You go watch tv! Don't tell me what to do!

Because their racist base would rather not pass any form of relief or amnesty.

I remember :
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/28/w...cnd-immig.html

When MFing Bush pushed for CIR.... a 3rd of democrats voted against and 2/3 of retardicans

Don't underestimate the stupidity of racists, they'll cut off their own legs if it means that you'll be temporarily disenfranchised.
Trump is straight forward with his motives - We are pawns for his own benefit, but yet he continues to 'express sympathy.'
Similarly, democrats campaigns on sympathy but had not been able to pass a bill in 18 years...

In fact, if 70%+ of the public so much agrees with our cause, and dem and some republicans are also sympathetic, you'd think a bill would be passed by now. Instead, we get temporary relief and continued squabbling while our very lives pass by...

I'm not saying all democrats are taking advantage of us, what I'm really saying is that there is many in the party with forked tongues that take total advantage of the dreamer's dialog while in reality are only out for their best interest which does not involve our legalization...

Maccain was a perfect example of a forked tongue. (I know he wasnt democrat)

Daddy Durbin is championing your cause, like it or not. You think Orin Hatch would've been swayed on his own? Hell Bernie Sanders didn't care much for us until only recently.

And your comparison is wrong. Most Americans are personally affected by healthcare issues, so it stands to reason most would support expanded medicare.

Only immigrant communities and an even smaller sub-community within it is impacted by Dreamer legislation.

Now think, the people furthest insolated from DACA, Trump's ignorant base, even they support a DACA fix. Why?