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Supreme Court to take DACA next fall. - Page 5

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06-29-2019, 05:55 AM
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The core of the argument is did the administration violate the APA process to end DACA? Most federal courts have come to the conclusion that they(the administration) did, hence DACA has remained.

The foreboding issue, should the Justices enter a judgement of how the process should have happened, the President(current administration) can then follow that process to end DACA formally. I don't think anyone can anticipate how the current court will rule.

Still, there is nothing stopping a new administration from reinstating the program if it had a formal end. I garner there shouldn't be a surprise if a lawsuit follows on if it can be re-instated lol.

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The core of the argument is did the administration violate the APA process to end DACA? Most federal courts have come to the conclusion that they(the administration) did, hence DACA has remained.

The foreboding issue, should the Justices enter a judgement of how the process should have happened, the President(current administration) can then follow that process to end DACA formally. I don't think anyone can anticipate how the current court will rule.

Still, there is nothing stopping a new administration from reinstating the program if it had a formal end. I garner there shouldn't be a surprise if a lawsuit follows on if it can be re-instated lol.

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So what will happen with the Texas Attorney General lawsuit that’s questioning the constitutionality of DACA?
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So what will happen with the Texas Attorney General lawsuit that’s questioning the constitutionality of DACA?
If DACA is struck down related to APA considerations, the next president can issue an executive order to reinstate DACA as long as APA is followed.

If DACA is struck down because of constitutionality, a future president can't reinstate DACA. Only Congress could do that.

Hopefully the constitutionality case never gets a ruling. I don't know if that's possible though or what it will depend on.
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I don’t understand how people say that Pres. Trump wouldn’t dare to kill DACA during an election year. If anything if the Supreme Court rules against DACA it will be a political victory for Trump in an election year because he can tell his voters that he has kept his promise on immigration.
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I don’t understand how people say that Pres. Trump wouldn’t dare to kill DACA during an election year. If anything if the Supreme Court rules against DACA it will be a political victory for Trump in an election year because he can tell his voters that he has kept his promise on immigration.
Building walls, separating babies from parents, deporting DREAMERs. That could all energize Democrats and Republicans for different reasons.

If properly campaigned on, I think the immigration issue (along with campaigning successfully on the economy and health care) could bring more Democrats to the polls.

If they don't come to the polls and/or there's election interference, this country is going to be in bad shape considering how many judges/justices McConnell could ram through the Senate. Not to mention the continued division that would be sowed in the nation among the parties.

Right now the election is very much a tossup, but at least most everyone gets to renew one more time.
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Building walls, separating babies from parents, deporting DREAMERs. That could all energize Democrats and Republicans for different reasons.

If properly campaigned on, I think the immigration issue (along with campaigning successfully on the economy and health care) could bring more Democrats to the polls.

If they don't come to the polls and/or there's election interference, this country is going to be in bad shape considering how many judges/justices McConnell could ram through the Senate. Not to mention the continued division that would be sowed in the nation among the parties.

Right now the election is very much a tossup, but at least most everyone gets to renew one more time.
Sorry but last election should have been a lesson that people don’t vote on social issues, they vote on the economy, about how they’re going to pay their rent/mortgage, put food on the table, send their kids to school, etc.

So far hated it or love it Pres. Trump has delivered economically. Voters are not going to go to the polls thinking about walls, kids being caged or walls being built. They are going to go vote based on who is delivering to them economically for their OWN FAMILY, not anyone else’s!

The only 2 Democratic states that would probably be energized are California and New York, but this isn’t about the popular vote so their vote won’t matter in the general election.
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[quote=Copper;738552]Sorry but last election should have been a lesson that people don’t vote on social issues, they vote on the economy, about how they’re going to pay their rent/mortgage, put food on the table, send their kids to school, etc.[/qoute]

Exactly.
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Sorry but last election should have been a lesson that people don’t vote on social issues, they vote on the economy, about how they’re going to pay their rent/mortgage, put food on the table, send their kids to school, etc.

So far hated it or love it Pres. Trump has delivered economically. Voters are not going to go to the polls thinking about walls, kids being caged or walls being built. They are going to go vote based on who is delivering to them economically for their OWN FAMILY, not anyone else’s!

The only 2 Democratic states that would probably be energized are California and New York, but this isn’t about the popular vote so their vote won’t matter in the general election.
You think people voted for Trump mainly because of his economic policies? I think there's a fairly solid argument that Trump campaigned heavily on social issues including immigration, pro-life, pro-isolationist, and pro-Christian (i.e. pro-white?) policies and that those policies helped bring people to the polls.

As long as the Democratic candidate campaigns strongly and successfully on the economy (i.e. income inequality) and other core policies (i.e. taxes, health care), social issues can bring out some extra Democrat to the polls. The margins were extremely close especially in the rust belt that decided the electoral college vote, and every Democrat vote counts.
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You think people voted for Trump mainly because of his economic policies? I think there's a fairly solid argument that Trump campaigned heavily on social issues including immigration, pro-life, pro-isolationist, and pro-Christian (i.e. pro-white?) policies and that those policies helped bring people to the polls.

As long as the Democratic candidate campaigns strongly and successfully on the economy (i.e. income inequality) and other core policies (i.e. taxes, health care), social issues can bring out some extra Democrat to the polls. The margins were extremely close especially in the rust belt that decided the electoral college vote, and every Democrat vote counts.
Are you kidding me? Yes some states such as Alabama, Oklahoma, Montana, Mississippi and other small red states did vote for the reasons you mentioned above.

HOWEVER, the most important states and the ones that handed the victory over to Trump such as Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio voted for him because they all felt that economically they were struggling and they had become the forgotten ones.

They didn’t vote for him for social issues. They wanted to know how he would help them better themselves. Do you’re research, all the states I mentioned voted for Trump for economic reasons were frustrated with how the Democratic Party had left behind and as matter of fact even Democrats voted for to Trump.

Trump is delivering on his economic issue which are key to the states he stole from the Democratic base. His red base will always be there regardless of what he says or does.
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