Trump to talk Dreamers protections with Senate Republicans - Page 5

Giving credit where its due to certain forum creeps, but the wall is actually good. Too many bad hombres keep sneaking in multiple times over and over and committing horrible crimes.

I have facts and evidence locked and loaded.

Some might answer and say, but (undocumented) immigrants do less crime than native born, that may be true, but then again, the undocumented arent supposed to be here.

Crime from undocumented is supposed to be zero.

The wall will help the republicans swallow the DACA amnesty pill much more easily, than just a clean DA or CIR. If you think back to Reagan years, the amnesty was bundled with border security and interior enforcement, but the border security package never materialized.

Simply put, any form of immigration relief MUST include a border wall to permanently solve the problem or Republicans will never ever ever vote for it, and bills will continuously die over this overlooked issue.

Every single republican bill about this issue has included border security along with relief for those inside who are otherwise law abiding. Civil violation not a criminal violation.

Every single democrat bill includes just plain DA. It is clear plain DA will never happen unless its bundled with border security.

Democrats have indeed put wall for Dreamers in the past, that is a known, but then DACA got saved and the deal was off. Why hand trump a win when you dont have to?

There is even internal squabbling over wether to give trump border security or a wall. Trump obviously wants to say he got a wall, dems only want to give him border security or a fence.

Wall sounds much more impressive than fence. Fence sounds weak.

I am for border wall 100%

Good. That's a start. Combining STRONG border security/Border Wall and legalization of Dreamers is the best way forward. Dems should push for this solution and support it.

And we shouldn't be supporting a bill that would punish our parents

Absolutely not. We will be pushing for one for one deal, strong border security and immediate legalization for all Dreamers. Any provisions that restrict legalization of broader innocent immigrants in the future should not be included. Dems must make sure they push for only one for one deal.

So why are you so against a comprehensive immigration reform?

For it. After immediate legalization of Dreamers. It will have a high chance to pass once Dreamers are legalized as a stepping stone. Broader American public right now sympathizes mostly with Dreamers. Hence we should use our efforts wisely and go for what is achievable in the immediate term.

No offense but you're living in the past. Dems already did this. 25 billion wall for DACA. Do you remember who pulled out and tried to add "4 pillars" to the deal? It was not the democrats. The deal was rejected.

Why do you think an already rejected deal is the best solution?

He's also going to ask for more when SC rules in his favor. As I said before, he's going to want more and give less because he has more leverage. He's also got 2 hardline anti-immigrant in his staff now.

The fact is, Trump is probably going to ask for more after SC ruling and dems will straight up just say no or it's impossible (like removing birthright citizenship because you have to change the constitution). Trump will blame dems, dems will blame Trump, all politics and nothing gets done. I don't understand why Trump doesn't see that giving a good DACA deal and call dem's bluff is such a good move that he'd get latino votes either way but he hasn't done it yet. That means he's probably going hard on immigration for his re-election campaign with the way he's posturing so far.

The only way I see anything being done is that SC doesn't strike existing DACA and cancel EADs until after the election and pray that something gets done in 2021.

You have to remember, nothing got done when Trump gave congress 6 months to deal with DACA and nothing got done with Dems shut down the senate for 2 days for DACA. There have been many possible deals and none of them came through.

I should mention some possible wildcards that can happen but very rare before election:

1) If Dems really did pull out of a deal because of the circuit courts ruling, then If SC strikes down DACA, dems might negotiate again. More than likely there's just going to be both sides blaming each other but if Trump somehow sees that he can pull latino voters away from dems during an election year by giving a good DACA deal, then something might happen. The key is that Trump has to offer a good deal, not Goodlatte bill and ask for something like 10 pillars.

2) Kushner along with Graham brokers a deal out of nowhere.

So is there a hard date when they're supposed to make a decision? Sometime next month?