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Alex Padilla "With or without the parliamentarian DACA is on the table" - Page 7

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#61
07-19-2021, 09:02 PM
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El Marquito "Pendejito" Rubio up to no good...Hate the dude along with his butt buddy Teddy "Cancun" Cruz.

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Rubio to colleague Bret Baier on if Dems try to tack on DACA to infrastructure bill: I think it's a terrible, horrifying idea
Why look at republican votes? They'll all vote no (except maybe one or two), regardless of what's in the bill. They don't want dems to get an infrastructure bill through because they want credit for that. Remember Trump's infrastructure week? If dems can get 60 votes on infrastructure they should add DACA to that because it would be the normal process to pass a bill, but then again adding DACA gives republicans the excuse to not pass anything for the reasons stated above. It's a small possibility but I'd keep an eye on it. If the infrastructure bill gets 65+ votes, adding DACA + TPS might be possible. If it's split along party lines, I don't think immigration will be added because the bill probably will not pass.

There's a nuclear option on the table and that's to remove the filibuster. Something Trump wanted McConnell to do but he refused. Dems would pass voting rights bill, infrastructure bill, and immigration bill. Will they go that route? I doubt it as even Trump & McConnell didn't do that. And in the future, it only takes 50 votes to pass any bill so they can "undo" certain bills with just 50 votes.

So you're either trying to get at least 10 republican votes (Don't think that's going to happen, try to naming those 10 republican senators), or you go with budget reconciliation which has to be budget related and somehow tie that to immigration. As someone mentioned previously it could be challenged in Court with a 6-3 conservative majority in SC.

It's funny some people say yeah taking away DACA puts pressure on Congress to pass something that's permanent but ignore that if you put immigration in budget reconciliation it can be challenged in Court just like DACA if they can even do it and it takes 50 votes to write another budget reconciliation bill that can "undo" the previous budget reconciliation bill.

You want certainty?
Find at least 10 republican senators that will vote for a bill with DACA in it. Even Lindsey Graham is calling it amnesty and threatened to not be in DC for the vote, someone who worked with Durbin for a long time on DACA.

And to those who say dems are trying to get latino votes in 2022 - Latinos went republican by a wide margin in 2020, more than any minority group. Dems trying to use DACA as an issue for latinos did not work. DACA isn't an important issue for voting latinos, that's just the reality. I mean if you could vote, how much do you care about TPS people getting citizenship? I'd imagine small to none and would not affect which party you vote for. That's what DACA is to most people, including latino voters. Don't be so surprised it isn't democrat's primary goal and don't be surprised that latinos voters do not care enough about DACA. It is a terrible strategy for democrats will rely on DACA to get hispanic votes in 2022. Will they mention it? Sure, but it will not change voters' minds. It's so partisan right now you really need super-majority in both chambers and Congress plus the white house to pass anything without having to use backdoors like budget reconciliation.
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07-19-2021, 09:37 PM
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seriously these politicians are playing way too much.

this is perfect opportunity for immigrants to show them power, strength and demand.

I said before and again immigrant need to take this daca news really aggressively and come out for strike as soon as possible. thats the only way guys. immigrants need to show their strength otherwise nothing gonna get done.

but I know we immigrants are pussy cat just as politicians.
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i think the GOP is just stalling to run out the clock. All parties in the minority do this, they slow down legislation to limit the about of good/popular bills the opposition can pass. I think only 8 GOP senators coe sponsored the bill so i dont think they have the votes to pass it.

I care about the reconciliation bill more then the bipartisan bill.
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At this point any of the assholes that are here praising Republicans continue doing it, they should just self deport and move on. Republicans don't want Hispanics here because long term Hispanics poise a growing threat to their party. They will tolerate blacks, because they don't see them as a growing threat.

Democrats play games as the selfish politicians they are, and the immigrant populate should put pressure on them to get anything done. but to support Republicans as an immigrant in the US is very idiotic.
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i think the GOP is just stalling to run out the clock. All parties in the minority do this, they slow down legislation to limit the about of good/popular bills the opposition can pass. I think only 8 GOP senators coe sponsored the bill so i dont think they have the votes to pass it.

I care about the reconciliation bill more then the bipartisan bill.
Who do you think will support it? I personally think none of them.
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Why look at republican votes? They'll all vote no (except maybe one or two), regardless of what's in the bill. They don't want dems to get an infrastructure bill through because they want credit for that. Remember Trump's infrastructure week? If dems can get 60 votes on infrastructure they should add DACA to that because it would be the normal process to pass a bill, but then again adding DACA gives republicans the excuse to not pass anything for the reasons stated above. It's a small possibility but I'd keep an eye on it. If the infrastructure bill gets 65+ votes, adding DACA + TPS might be possible. If it's split along party lines, I don't think immigration will be added because the bill probably will not pass.

There's a nuclear option on the table and that's to remove the filibuster. Something Trump wanted McConnell to do but he refused. Dems would pass voting rights bill, infrastructure bill, and immigration bill. Will they go that route? I doubt it as even Trump & McConnell didn't do that. And in the future, it only takes 50 votes to pass any bill so they can "undo" certain bills with just 50 votes.

So you're either trying to get at least 10 republican votes (Don't think that's going to happen, try to naming those 10 republican senators), or you go with budget reconciliation which has to be budget related and somehow tie that to immigration. As someone mentioned previously it could be challenged in Court with a 6-3 conservative majority in SC.

It's funny some people say yeah taking away DACA puts pressure on Congress to pass something that's permanent but ignore that if you put immigration in budget reconciliation it can be challenged in Court just like DACA if they can even do it and it takes 50 votes to write another budget reconciliation bill that can "undo" the previous budget reconciliation bill.

You want certainty?
Find at least 10 republican senators that will vote for a bill with DACA in it. Even Lindsey Graham is calling it amnesty and threatened to not be in DC for the vote, someone who worked with Durbin for a long time on DACA.

And to those who say dems are trying to get latino votes in 2022 - Latinos went republican by a wide margin in 2020, more than any minority group. Dems trying to use DACA as an issue for latinos did not work. DACA isn't an important issue for voting latinos, that's just the reality. I mean if you could vote, how much do you care about TPS people getting citizenship? I'd imagine small to none and would not affect which party you vote for. That's what DACA is to most people, including latino voters. Don't be so surprised it isn't democrat's primary goal and don't be surprised that latinos voters do not care enough about DACA. It is a terrible strategy for democrats will rely on DACA to get hispanic votes in 2022. Will they mention it? Sure, but it will not change voters' minds. It's so partisan right now you really need super-majority in both chambers and Congress plus the white house to pass anything without having to use backdoors like budget reconciliation.
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If you give one person legal status there will be a run on our border like you have never seen before - dumbest idea in the history of the Senate, the history of the White House.

It will lead to the breakdown of law & order beyond what you see today.
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It will lead to the breakdown of law & order beyond what you see today.
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Rip Sen Graham
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But you can't wait to be a lifetime voter of his party, right?
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