Trump Tweet About DACA - Page 9
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Originally Posted by cmeow
Some people here... wow.
So a democrat gave you DACA. A republican gets rid of it. For some reason, you agree that they should get rid of DACA and all you get is urgency and you lose your safety net. That urgency isn't to convince democrats, but to convince republicans to give you pity and help you out. You're willing to remove your safety net for the smallest chance that republicans show you mercy. Do they think they will? Have they shown that, in policy or in real negotiation? No. - Republicans removed daca - Republicans wanted 4 pillars in with the wall / daca deal, and destroyed the deal - Republicans want to pass goodlatte with a bunch of poison pills These are the people that you want to show you mercy? Are republicans not using DACA people for political gain? What's needed is leverage, not a small chance that republicans show you mercy, which is what dems will have when they control the house on Jan 3rd. There should be no mention of DACA from them until then or Trump will blast dems for supporting open boarders and illegal immigration (he's already doing that now but it has less of a backbone). If you recall, the government is still in a partial shutdown. If dems mention DACA right now they'll get murdered. If you recall, the last shutdown republicans were leveraging CHIP and saying "look, dems care more about illegals than american children". You want them to start saying that again? You think that helps your cause? Because asking for dems to bring up DACA right now, you're just giving republicans more firepower and put the blame of this shutdown on dems. Not just dems, on illegal immigration so the chances of a DACA deal going through goes down. The people saying that's nancy's nasty plan, are you a mind reader? Even if it's true, is Nancy's plan more "nasty" than what the republicans have done? You have a party that wants to legalize you in 2020 and one that does not. Yet you call the party that wants to legalize you "nasty?" Seriously, some of you people are fully advocating for something that's actually bad for you. |
Dems have leverage now. If they can somehow threaten DACA we will get urgency.
Urgency causes congress to act. No urgency nothing happens.
Remember march 5th?
How many bills did they try to pass?
how many bills did they try to pass during obama when there was not a sense of urgency. (after DACA was created.)
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Originally Posted by ExMachina
I guess you missed the part where he was already offered that deal on multiple occasions.. Or when he threatened to veto any bill that wasn't Goodlatte's incredibly draconian "fix".
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Now Trump wants to deal again
What is so hard to understand about this
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Originally Posted by Red neck
Dems have leverage now. If they can somehow threaten DACA we will get urgency.
Urgency causes congress to act. No urgency nothing happens. Remember march 5th? How many bills did they try to pass? how many bills did they try to pass during obama when there was not a sense of urgency. (after DACA was created.) |
You're giving up your safety net for urgency. In return, you hope that republicans will help you. If you believe that's the only way then you really think highly of them despite the policies they've proposed and they way they negotiated. If DACA is removed, all it does is give republicans leverage. Republicans don't see DACA as an urgency or else they wouldn't have thrown in the 4 pillars to kill the DACA / wall deal. They wanted the deal to die. Remember, Trump gave congress 6 months and they got nothing done in those 6 months. Then came the injunction from the court that allowed DACA to renew.
How many bills did they pass? What does that even mean? It's a republican controlled Congress. Both speakers are republican. Dems don't control the legislative agenda at all. Dems had to shut down the government to even get a senate vote on DACA (and if you recall, trump's DHS at 2 AM released some bogus report to derail the votes).
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca
That strategy didnt work
Now Trump wants to deal again What is so hard to understand about this |
If you read his book, he describes his negotiating style as forcing the other side to concede to a lopsided deal. There's no compromises with him, he'll probably ask for something outrageous in return like ending birthright citizenship or the RISE Act.
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca
That strategy didnt work
Now Trump wants to deal again What is so hard to understand about this |
Regardless, dems should be more careful. As the saying goes, fool me once shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
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Originally Posted by cmeow
So deal with it after Jan. 3rd. Dealing now is stupid for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.
Regardless, dems should be more careful. As the saying goes, fool me once shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. |
“Dreamers can’t occupy the whole stage”
“We have little desire to deliver on immigration until 2020”
“No wall for DACA relief”
They went from wait until we capture the House to give you guys a solution to wait until 2020 and we’ll see what happens then. Next thing they will say is wait until 2024. Yes to Dreamers this is frustrated.
We all know were the Republican Party stand by when it comes to our issue, we don’t expect them to be our Superman, their whole platform has been on anti-immigration.
However Democrats campaign for us and benefit from us politically and financially so for them to get to power and then tell us “you’re on your own” is a punch to the guts and people have the right to hold them accountable.
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Originally Posted by Copper
Although I get you’re point, you also have to understand that it’s alarming to Dreamers when Democratic leadership make comments such as..
“Dreamers can’t occupy the whole stage” “We have little desire to deliver on immigration until 2020” “No wall for DACA relief” They went from wait until we capture the House to give you guys a solution to wait until 2020 and we’ll see what happens then. Next thing they will say is wait until 2024. Yes to Dreamers this is frustrated. We all know were the Republican Party stand by when it comes to our issue, we don’t expect them to be our Superman, their whole platform has been on anti-immigration. However Democrats campaign for us and benefit from us politically and financially so for them to get to power and then tell us “you’re on your own” is a punch to the guts and people have the right to hold them accountable. |
If you honestly believe dems are stringing you along and they don't intend to provide DACA relief, then you're saying both parties are against you. If that's the case, you should really consider yourself as having no daca at all and seek other methods like move out of the country or legalize through other means.
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Do not go around telling people that they should move out of the country if they do not like this or that...
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Originally Posted by cmeow
Both parties campaign and benefit politically and financially. I'd argue that more republicans vote because of illegal immigration than dems. Dems focus more on health care and other things. For dems, it's a moral issue but definitely not the top issue.
If you honestly believe dems are stringing you along and they don't intend to provide DACA relief, then you're saying both parties are against you. If that's the case, you should really consider yourself as having no daca at all and seek other methods like move out of the country or legalize through other means. |
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