Democrats get hopeful sign from parliamentarian on immigration - Page 4

Originally Posted by leo86

The problem w/ Parole is that it no longer makes us "special".

It lumps us in with a bunch of other categories of migrants - some considered less "deserving".
It increases the numbers of people in this quasi-legal status from 800k to 7M.
That's a huge jump.
It's a lot harder to convince people to give out greencards to that many people at once.

Also - there's a real possibility that because we're no longer "unique" in our struggle... our plight will get ignored even more. That our thunder will be stolen by other groups who will have more numbers and a very different agenda in mind.

I think it was a mistake of the DACA movement to mix our stuff with the TPS people and other social justice movements.

Nothing wrong with them but that's the main problem with every social justice movement- they're always trying to be inclusive and when you are too inclusive and include too many in the movement:
The movement becomes too large and shaky. The scope and size of the movement becomes too great and too impossible to achieve.
Too many people pulling the movement in too many different directions.

We went from being about legalizing ourselves to this wild and impossible position that "no human is illegal" and that we should legalize everyone.
That's impossible.
It's not gonna happen.
These goddamn UWD liberals keep pushing that shit so they can get their donation dollars. They don't want something small but achievable that includes most of what we want.
Oh no.
They always ask for a pie in the moon and it always fails.

Originally Posted by pink

Older dreamer here, ecstatic to take whatever is passed at this point. We got left off the original dream bill and I'm sick and tired of waiting for the perfect bill that so far has only rewarded a few while most immigrants who were here first languish away for decades.

Originally Posted by hDreamer1988

There will never be the perfect bill and that is what people dont understand. Take the small victories and this bill, if passes, is a small victory and something we can build on.

Originally Posted by pink

Older dreamer here, ecstatic to take whatever is passed at this point. We got left off the original dream bill and I'm sick and tired of waiting for the perfect bill that so far has only rewarded a few while most immigrants who were here first languish away for decades.

Originally Posted by IamAman

Yeah I can't even express how hurtful it was to be left out of the original DACA and then again off the expanded version. I just want SOMETHING to pass that includes me and puts me back in the system so I can build off it.

As for the "it means we're not special anymore" or "this means we'll never get a greencard" stuff I'm reading, people are acting like this is going to be the end-all. This is just going to be the beginning. In 10 years, a lot can happen - if we get a friendly congress/president, we might still be special and the Dream Act could still pass. If we get an asshole Republican congress/president then we have protection that they can't take away easily.

Originally Posted by VJB2

It’s astounding that some people here don’t have the mental capability to understand this. It also makes me think that they’re realizing it’s not going to be instant, permanent legalization and the thought of either putting in the effort to better their situation or sitting on the sidelines the next 10 years terrifies them. Get what you can, build on top of it or don’t apply, if it passes. I’m not going wish this tanks or demand for more because so-and-so on here is miserably bitter everyone and their pets won’t get green cards by next week.

Originally Posted by Dreamer1980

I agree, the hypocrisy of some it's astonishing.

Some crying about it's their parent's fault, and hoping it doesn't pass. Weak very weak minded. A lot of those people remind me of a Ted Cruz type character, very low self esteem asswipes.

Originally Posted by leo86

The problem w/ Parole is that it no longer makes us "special".

It lumps us in with a bunch of other categories of migrants - some considered less "deserving".
It increases the numbers of people in this quasi-legal status from 800k to 7M.
That's a huge jump.
It's a lot harder to convince people to give out greencards to that many people at once.

Also - there's a real possibility that because we're no longer "unique" in our struggle... our plight will get ignored even more. That our thunder will be stolen by other groups who will have more numbers and a very different agenda in mind.

I think it was a mistake of the DACA movement to mix our stuff with the TPS people and other social justice movements.

Nothing wrong with them but that's the main problem with every social justice movement- they're always trying to be inclusive and when you are too inclusive and include too many in the movement:
The movement becomes too large and shaky. The scope and size of the movement becomes too great and too impossible to achieve.
Too many people pulling the movement in too many different directions.

We went from being about legalizing ourselves to this wild and impossible position that "no human is illegal" and that we should legalize everyone.
That's impossible.
It's not gonna happen.
These goddamn UWD liberals keep pushing that shit so they can get their donation dollars. They don't want something small but achievable that includes most of what we want.
Oh no.
They always ask for a pie in the moon and it always fails.