We Might Consider Rubio's DREAM ACT- NUMBERS USA!

"We're starting to get quite a lot of inquiries from our members about what is going on with NumbersUSA and a much trumpeted "DREAM" amnesty proposal by Sen. Marco Rubio. Because he is Hispanic, Republican and possibly a VP candidate, and because he is meeting with long-time DREAM supporters among Democrats and Hispanic groups and with long-time opponents of DREAM, Sen. Rubio is creating a media frenzy.

And because NumbersUSA is known in Washington D.C. as the primary organization behind the killing of the DREAM amnesty in 2007 and in the lame duck session of 2010 in the Senate, lots of the media who are focused on Congress are trying to find out where we stand on Sen. Rubio's attempt to come up with an amnesty that has enough limitations to win our approval but also is able to get votes from the pro-amnesty crowd.

First, let me make this clear: NumbersUSA is NOT endorsing or otherwise supporting the as-yet unrevealed Rubio plan for illegal aliens who were brought here as young children.

But the Politico newspaper created something of an impression of movement on the Rubio not-a-bill-yet early this week when it reported that Sen. Rubio had contacted us about the proposal. The article paraphrased me as saying that NumbersUSA "would be willing to entertain the proposal" if it contained certain provisions.

It is true that the Senator contacted us, but he has not talked to us about the details of his proposal. It is also true that I have said in media interviews for years that I believe some of the illegal aliens who would be covered by the DREAM amnesty have compelling cases that might be considered. I have also said that there are millions of unemployed Americans who also have compelling cases and that an amnesty for the compelling DREAM cases would do further harm to unemployed Americans.

National Review this week quoted Rosemary Jenks (our director of government relations) explaining that NumbersUSA couldn't consider a DREAM amnesty unless the bill also . . .



. . . ended chain migration, required employers to use E-Verify nationwide, and permitted only those young adults who had been brought to the United States at a very young age (think ten or younger) to be eligible for legal status. If the bill doesen't include those provisions, NumbersUSA intends to actively oppose it."



Note that the key to the provisions Rosemary mentioned is that they would greatly reduce future green cards for more immigrants to enter the country to compete with unemployed Americans, and they would take away the ability of future illegal aliens to hold U.S. jobs for many years while their children became rooted in our schools and society.

Also note that we are not saying that we WILL support such an amnesty bill that included the key provisions but merely that we would be WILLING to CONSIDER such a bill.

Sen. Rubio and his supporters are claiming that his proposal would not be an amnesty because it would not give the illegal aliens U.S. citizenship. Reporters are calling me to get our opinion. The Hill newspaper wrote this yesterday:

Roy Beck, executive director of NumbersUSA, an anti-illegal immigration advocacy group that defeated the DREAM Act in past years, said Rubio's proposal would amount to amnesty."

'Everything we're reading says the bill would give a permanent presence and a permanent access to jobs,' Beck said. 'It's absolutely an amnesty. Not a citizenship amnesty but an amnesty.'"


The National Review continues:

That's no small threat. Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, calls NumbersUSA "sort of the most influential lobbying group most people have never heard of" and notes that "they've got a million activists." Krikorian himself has concerns about the legislation; among other things, he would like to see the bill include a provision that would end chain migration."


In the meantime, we continue to have faxes and phone talking points posted for all of you on your NumbersUSA Action Boards. Make sure that your Senators know what you think about Sen. Rubio putting together an amnesty that is just like the DREAM amnesties we've killed in the past except it doesn't give U.S. citizenship. If you oppose a DREAM amnesty under any circumstance, then say so. If you are willing to trade some kind of DREAM amnesty in exchange for stopping a quarter-million chain migration greencards each year and fully implementing national mandatory E-Verify, express your opposition to the way the Rubio proposal is missing those elements.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...-position.html

Well looks like Numbers USA is open, though cautiously, to the idea of putting out its support for Rubio and his DA, but won't be certain until Rubio comes out with the written bill, containing all the specific details...

You could interpret the group's premature stance on the proposal as slightly positive, only due to the fact that they haven't come outright in opposition, the way they typically do...

It is slightly positive. But, ehhhhhh fighting won't hurt. Anything can happen--even if Numbers USA opposes the upcoming bill.

I think the bill will be opposed by numbers because we know damn well that Rubio won't attach e-verify. Also, Dems. would block such a bill . . . maybe ???? Fuck. Anything can happen.

The age range could maybe be worked out with these fuckers, but it's the e-verify exclusion/inclusion that will detemine opposition or support from Numbers. E-verify could be attached, but how bad do Dems. want to provide us with relief? If the bill did include e-verify, I think the chances of something happening could increase. . .

Maybe. The Democraps might even vote it down because of the E-verify option.

Would they? Didn't Reid say last year that he was thinking about attaching the e-verify provision to the original DREAM Act?

If the upcoming Rubio bill is fair and provides us with relief, why would this scenario be any different? Why would Dems. strike it down if it were combined with E-verify?

I think the upcoming bill and e-verify could even get more traction. Even Obama likes e-verify. Dudes, I think this shit can be done. We just need to pressure the Dems. to consider such a proposal . . . but how?

Dems,pro-immigration groups and the President will definitely oppose anything that has E-verify attached to it. You can't negotiate with a group like NumbersUSA. They will oppose ANY bill that is intended to help us. Don't be fooled by anything they are trying to say right now.

Do you think Rubio would even pay attention to a group that insists on calling his proposal "amnesty"?

Psss I wouldn't be surprised. Remember its all politricks. Yes, Reid said that when the DA was on their side of the table. This time its on the elephant side and the donkeys don't want to see them getting the credit for it. Sometimes I feel like the DA will never make it through congress while those stupid politics game exist. Even worst as the number of Latino voters keep increasing every year.

I see. Well, fuck Numbers. Don't they want immigration to end, period? Whether it's legal or illegal?

Anything can happen guys. We just have to try to be louder than these fuckers.

How about we all start emailing and calling Rubio and ask him to attach E-verify to his bill tempting

smooth a.k.a suave, I think NumbersMex will oppose it regardless....

I was brought here when I was 2 so I guess I would meet 99% of Rubio's requirements, or at least the "rumored" requirements. I hope Dems can agree that E-verify is necessary to keep Rubio's bill alive.

I was wondering though, if they implement the e-verify program nationwide, would employers be required to check the status of their current employees or just new ones?

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