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Sean Hannity Flips On Immigration Reform, Now Supports Pathway To Citizenship

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11-09-2012, 12:56 AM
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Year after year he was demonizing latinos and two days after the elections he "evolve" check the link to listen the clip.
Is like a twilight zone.

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"We've gotta get rid of the immigration issue altogether. It's simple for me to fix it. I think you control the border first, you create a pathway for those people that are here, you don't say you gotta home. And that is a position that I've evolved on. Because you know what--it just--it's gotta be resolved. The majority of people here--if some people have criminal records you can send' em home--but if people are here, law-abiding, participating, four years, their kids are born here... first secure the border, pathway to citizenship... then it's done. But you can't let the problem continue. It's gotta stop."
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11-09-2012, 01:23 AM
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The secure the border-first argument just . . . ugh

These guys have to understand that they are dealing with people who are living in the shadows and are struggling to find ways to nourish themselves and pay for bills. Securing the border first lenghtens that suffering. Legalizing people and securing the border can be done at the same time; legalize people then overwhelm the border with troops/law enforcement officials until the government finishes "securing" it.
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11-09-2012, 02:06 AM
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Securing the border by itself is never gonna work:
  1. Making the border secure enough to stop all crossers would be prohibitively expensive, considering the length involved. Think of all the walls involved, the number of border patrol agents, the detention centers, the transportation system to send crossers back, etc. It's gonna be like financing a war.
  2. Never underestimate the strength of the human spirit. If I'm a parent living in abject poverty, watching my children eat shit every day, and knowing some will probably be shot dead by criminals/rebels/corrupt governments, I'd brave the border too to give them a better life. Many of your parents did just that.
  3. Most undocumented people probably came here with a visa. The most secure border in the world with high walls and laser turrets is not gonna stop people who are invited to walk through the gate.

The solution must involve easy path to legalization to those willing to work hard for it.
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11-09-2012, 02:18 AM
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He "evolved" into a better human being. Now go back to the pokeball, your voice still has no weight.
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11-09-2012, 02:33 AM
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I Understand people need to feed their children and need to survive but coming to the u.s.a is never gonna stop the shitty life in our countries. Every immigrants knows why they came here for a better life but what are the people from our countries doing to make it a better place? The u.s.a needs to secure the border not only from immigrants but from narcos. the drug war also needs to be dealt with. if you allow every person to come here if they are willing to work then why not just buy all the countries and make a super u.s.a country? Should the u.s.a only take hard worker and leve the even more poor disabled and uneducated in their poor countries??? Lets be fucking real here!
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I Understand people need to feed their children and need to survive but coming to the u.s.a is never gonna stop the shitty life in our countries. Every immigrants knows why they came here for a better life but what are the people from our countries doing to make it a better place? The u.s.a needs to secure the border not only from immigrants but from narcos. the drug war also needs to be dealt with. if you allow every person to come here if they are willing to work then why not just buy all the countries and make a super u.s.a country? Should the u.s.a only take hard worker and leve the even more poor disabled and uneducated in their poor countries??? Lets be fucking real here!
I'm being real. Absolutist positions don't work in real life, because life is not black or white. It's not absolutely secure border or absolutely no legalization, it's secure enough border and sensible legalization.

We need a border secure enough to stop most crossers, but not expensive enough to rival Afghanistan military spending that contributes to the ballooning national debt.

Do you think that countries will run out of their hard workers if USA lets them in? Absolutely not. People like to stay together with their family, relatives, and friends who they grew up with and share language & culture with. Most actually have high enough pride of their country to stay against all odds. People emigrate from their countries because they are desperate, have the opportunity, or both.

If I weren't desperate, why the hell would I move to a place where the people look very different, speak a language entirely foreign to me, follow different customs, eat different food, and not always treat me as equal? You were raised an American but I was not, so you might not understand fully how difficult it is for an adult foreigner to adjust to life in America.
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He "evolved" into a better human being. Now go back to the pokeball, your voice still has no weight.
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Securing the border by itself is never gonna work:
  1. Making the border secure enough to stop all crossers would be prohibitively expensive, considering the length involved. Think of all the walls involved, the number of border patrol agents, the detention centers, the transportation system to send crossers back, etc. It's gonna be like financing a war.
  2. Never underestimate the strength of the human spirit. If I'm a parent living in abject poverty, watching my children eat shit every day, and knowing some will probably be shot dead by criminals/rebels/corrupt governments, I'd brave the border too to give them a better life. Many of your parents did just that.
  3. Most undocumented people probably came here with a visa. The most secure border in the world with high walls and laser turrets is not gonna stop people who are invited to walk through the gate.

The solution must involve easy path to legalization to those willing to work hard for it.
This will create jobs! It's their jobs bill! -_-
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Sean Hannity doesn't care for immigrants or middle class. He is just saying this because the rest of the GOP crowd are saying it too. He's trying to maintain his credibility. His views will have absolutely zero difference and carry zero if not negative weight on the immigration debate. Its his job to open his big mouth while its the actual GOP Congressmen who have to cut out deals behind closed doors. Don't even get me started on Bill O'Reilly. On election night, he said Romney is losing because there is a changing demographic in America. He said there are a rising number of black and hispanic voters. He went on to say that people simple "want stuff." I can't fathom his audacity during a time when the rest of the GOP strategists were acknowleding that their party has to talk with Latinos. So, the moral is, these journalists and reporters will hold no sway in the debate. It's the congressmen that we need to focus on and frankly we have a nice credible list that have shown signs of compromise in the past. I'm looking at Lindsey Graham, John McCain, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell etc. This is when I will really start missing Senator Jon Kyl but I'm sure Flake will fill his shoes nicely.
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Sean Hannity doesn't care for immigrants or middle class. He is just saying this because the rest of the GOP crowd are saying it too. He's trying to maintain his credibility. His views will have absolutely zero difference and carry zero if not negative weight on the immigration debate. Its his job to open his big mouth while its the actual GOP Congressmen who have to cut out deals behind closed doors. Don't even get me started on Bill O'Reilly. On election night, he said Romney is losing because there is a changing demographic in America. He said there are a rising number of black and hispanic voters. He went on to say that people simple "want stuff." I can't fathom his audacity during a time when the rest of the GOP strategists were acknowleding that their party has to talk with Latinos. So, the moral is, these journalists and reporters will hold no sway in the debate. It's the congressmen that we need to focus on and frankly we have a nice credible list that have shown signs of compromise in the past. I'm looking at Lindsey Graham, John McCain, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell etc. This is when I will really start missing Senator Jon Kyl but I'm sure Flake will fill his shoes nicely.
Agreed. I really think though that we have a strong chance at this. The tea party can't be as loony as they were before and I truly feel the moderate forces will win out in the republican party this time. Sure the CIR/New DA bill( Since it seems as if the DA will still be it's own individual bill) that may be passed may have a few harsh provisions to please republicans( huge fees, e-verify) but I feel as if a huge wave of legalization is coming. So strange to think of life pre 6/15.
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