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CIR/DA soon? Think again

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11-09-2012, 10:29 PM
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Only party that stand to gain from CIR passage is GOP if they can take majority of the credit for passing it.

Dems don't have to pass CIR as Latinos have been in their pocket for every election.

If Dems let GOP take majority of the credit for CIR, then Dems lose Latino vote, thus Dems won't do it so that GOP takes majority of the credit.

If GOP can't take majority of the credit for CIR, then GOP simply won't do it.

Thus it is beneficial for Dems to not pass CIR, as they only stand to lose. While GOP stand to gain.

What will happen is same old same old, stall the bill nor never introduce it and blame the GOP for obstruction. It worked before and it'll work again.

Welcome to the reality.
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11-09-2012, 10:36 PM
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Lol. No.

Think about it. If CIR passes, who's the president?

Not a Republican. You remember Alan Simpson or Romano Mazzoli? Thought not.
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11-09-2012, 10:43 PM
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Lol. No.

Think about it. If CIR passes, who's the president?
A Democrat, thus GOP can't hand them more Latinos on a silver platter.
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A Democrat, thus GOP can't hand them more Latinos on a silver platter.
If they continue the path, they lose anyway. It's a lose-lose for the GOP. Their only shot is giving in and at least TRYING to attract the vote.
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I was hoping to find a link when i saw the title but this just happens to be a user opinion. Please post this in the lounge. I personally fully disagree but I do understand where you're coming from. This is Obama's last term. He doesn't give a shit any more. He's going to do what he promised for sure to leave behind an almost perfect legacy.
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This is not news rather OP's opinion. I disagree although I understand the point of view. I believe that after 2 years of DACA the DA might pass.
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If they continue the path, they lose anyway. It's a lose-lose for the GOP. Their only shot is giving in and at least TRYING to attract the vote.
See how close the election was.

GOP still has control of the House. Lost couple of seats in Senate due to tea party candidates. Obama got 10 million less votes than he did in 08.

All hinges on economy.

Economy worsens: that is all GOP needs.

And you can forget about the black vote support that Obama got if no overly black candidate again rises from Dems in 2016.

Totally fair game without CIR ever passing.
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I was hoping to find a link when i saw the title but this just happens to be a user opinion. Please post this in the lounge. I personally fully disagree but I do understand where you're coming from. This is Obama's last term. He doesn't give a shit any more. He's going to do what he promised for sure to leave behind an almost perfect legacy.
A user can't formulate better opinion than mainstream media?
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See how close the election was.

GOP still has control of the House. Lost couple of seats in Senate due to tea party candidates. Obama got 10 million less votes than he did in 08.

All hinges on economy.

Economy worsens: that is all GOP needs.

And you can forget about the black vote support that Obama got if no overly black candidate again rises from Dems in 2016.

Totally fair game without CIR ever passing.
Obama got 10 million less votes because the Republicans spent hundreds of millions of dollars in Super PACs to try to defeat him. And failed. Even Rove tried to console donors by saying they would have lost by even worse had they not spent the money. Imagine. Worse. With the economy as it is. That's not a pretty sight.

Blacks have supported the Democratic Party in incredibly high numbers. Might their turnout decrease? A little. But remember that Latinos play an increasingly important role in the party. Their turnout may increase. Same thing with women. 2016 is too far away to really predict, but if Dems can mobilize Latinos or women, even if they lose some Blacks, they'll have the same base support (barring anything crazy).

If the Republican Party continues on the path of failing to support immigration reform, they will lose. The Tea Party is the only real constituency with power that hates immigration reform, and they have nowhere else to go. If they really care about their vision for the country, they'll have to play ball and vote Republican no matter what. And if they don't, they'll have hell to pay from Democrats and mainstream Republicans when they show up at primaries again expecting to have a voice.
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