• Home
  • Today
  • Advocacy
  • Forum
Donate
  • login
  • register
Home

They need you!

Forum links

  • Recent changes
  • Member list
  • Search
  • Register
Search Forums
 
Advanced Search
Go to Page...

Resources

  • Do I qualify?
  • In-state tuition
  • FAQ
  • Ways to legalize
  • Feedback
  • Contact us

Join our list

National calendar of events

«  

March

  »
S M T W T F S
1
 
2
 
3
 
4
 
5
 
6
 
7
 
8
 
9
 
10
 
11
 
12
 
13
 
14
 
15
 
16
 
17
 
18
 
19
 
20
 
21
 
22
 
23
 
24
 
25
 
26
 
27
 
28
 
29
 
30
 
31
 
 
 
 
 
Sync with this calendar
DAP Forums > DREAM Act > The News Room

A year later, immigrants face DREAM Act's limits

  • View
  • Post new reply
  • Thread tools
  • 1
  • 2
  • next ›
#1
08-14-2013, 12:23 AM
Senior Member
Joined in May 2006
6,569 posts
Ianus's Avatar
Ianus
0 AP
Not surprised by some of the results considering there is a limit on what 'deferred action' can do but it was a good first start and should serve as a precursor on why a more permanent resident status is needed.
Quote:
PHOENIX -- In January, Jose Patino learned through the mail that the federal government had approved him for a program that protects young undocumented immigrants from deportation and issues them work permits.

That night, Patino, 24, and his family celebrated.

"I was so excited," said Patino, a Phoenix resident whose parents brought him to the U.S. illegally from Mexico when he was 6. "We bought some ice cream and a small cake."

But some of that excitement has worn off for Patino and many of the hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants nationally who have been approved for the program, which will be a year old Thursday.

Often, the initial excitement has been replaced by frustration and disappointment as undocumented immigrants approved for deferred action from deportation are forced to face the program's limitations and uncertain political future.

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, launched by President Barack Obama's administration, is aimed at undocumented immigrants between the ages of 15 and 30 who came to the U.S. as children and who are in school or have graduated from high school. The Migration Policy Institute estimates there are 1.9 million undocumented immigrants who could be eligible for deferred action.

As of June 30, 557,412 undocumented immigrants nationally had applied for the program, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Of those, 400,562 had received approval, and 5,383 had been denied. The rest are either under review or the applications need to be resubmitted.

In Arizona, 19,149 had applied, and 15,009 have been approved, according to the agency. Those who have applied in Arizona represent about 58 percent of the estimated 33,000 undocumented immigrants in the state eligible for the program, according to the Migration Policy Institute.

For those who have been approved, the program has opened some doors.

Receiving deferred action temporarily removes the chance of being deported for two years. Those who have been approved also receive work permits, meaning that for the first time, they can legally get a job. They are also eligible for driver's licenses and in-state college tuition in many states.

But many deferred-action recipients in Arizona and across the country are having a tough time getting jobs, even those like Patino with college degrees.

"Unfortunately, a lot of these DACA beneficiaries are starting a career path that is somewhat behind others," said Adam Luna, director of Own the Dream, an organization based in Washington, D.C., that encourages people to apply for deferred action. "But at least they can begin that path now, whereas they couldn't before."

In Arizona, he said, the state's political climate has made it especially difficult for deferred-action recipients to get jobs. Arizona has refused to let deferred-action recipients get driver's licenses and also bars deferred-action recipients from paying in-state tuition at the state's three universities.

"I think it's more challenging, especially because of the driver's license issue," Luna said. "It really is limiting if it's tough to get from point A to point B to get a job or to even go to an interview." .

Job struggles

Patino's work permit arrived in the mail the day after he learned he had been approved.

He thought the permit meant he could finally get a job as an engineer. In May 2011, he graduated from Arizona State University with a degree in mechanical engineering. With no legal papers, he hadn't been able to apply for engineering jobs. Instead, he worked part time as a construction laborer for a company that paid him under the table in cash.

After getting his work permit, Patino applied for jobs at eight or nine engineering firms.

None panned out.

"A lot of them didn't want to hire a temporary worker," Patino said, noting that his work permit is only good for two years. "That's one of the fears they have."

Patino believes his lack of previous work experience also hurt him. In college, he wasn't able to apply for internships like other students because of his immigration status.

Many deferred-action recipients are experiencing similar frustrations, according to experts.

They don't have previous work experience, and they are facing a national unemployment rate of 23.7 percent for people ages 16-19 compared with 7.4 percent overall, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' July data. For those 20-24, unemployment is 12.6 percent.

As a result, many have had to settle for low-paid entry-level jobs. Others haven't been able to get jobs at all because employers don't want to hire them.

"Some are maximizing DACA. Others aren't," said Tom Wong, an assistant professor of political science at the University of California-San Diego. Wong recently launched an online survey asking recipients how deferred action has affected their lives.

"It's not that those who aren't becoming lawyers and getting high-paid jobs aren't capable of doing that," he said. "This two-year window may be the most inhibiting factor, because a two-year window in terms of a law program, or Ph.D program or an employer seeing work authorization that has to be renewed every two years is an onerous burden."

Phoenix immigration lawyer Jose Luis Penalosa has handled 160 cases for undocumented immigrants applying for deferred action.

One of his clients with a degree in Earth science and meteorology from ASU got a job at the Arizona Science Center. Another, a student at Grand Canyon University, was hired at the Apple store.

But the majority, he said, "are getting first-time jobs, like fast food."

Unable to drive

Dulce Matuz, president of the Arizona Dream Act Coalition, said some deferred-action recipients struggle to get jobs because many employers ask for a driver's license or state ID. In Arizona, they can't get either. Her organization is suing the state over Gov. Jan Brewer's refusal to let them get driver's licenses in Arizona.

Brewer's stance is in the minority. Officials in 45 states have confirmed that undocumented immigrants who receive work permits through Obama's deferred-action program are eligible for driver's licenses, according to the National Immigration Law Center. Arizona and Nebraska are the only states that prohibit deferred-action recipients from getting driver's licenses.

As a result, many deferred-action recipients in Arizona only look for jobs close to home or end up taking a risk and driving illegally without a license, according to interviews with recipients and immigrant advocates.

San Tan Valley area resident Belen Sisa, 19, was approved for deferred action in January and got a job as a receptionist at a law firm in Phoenix, but without a driver's license, she couldn't manage the 1 1/2-hour drive each way. So, she quit that job and took one as a receptionist for immigration lawyer Gerald Burns, whose Chandler office is closer to her home. However, getting to work without driving "is still a struggle," she said.

But, Sisa said, deferred action has opened many opportunities for her.

Her mother brought her to the United States on a visitor's visa when she was 6. They remained in the country illegally after the visa expired. Without legal papers, she said she was facing a dead-end after high school.

"My senior year of high school is when it really hit me that I wasn't going to be able to do everything I wanted, like go to college and start a career and all of that," Sisa said.

This fall, she plans to work full-time for Burns during the day and take classes full-time at night at a community college.

Eventually she wants to get degrees in business and fashion design and open her own clothing store.

"I always dreamed of doing bigger things," she said.

But many deferred-action recipients are finding that returning to school is also a challenge.

The state's three universities – Arizona State University, the University of Arizona and Northern Arizona University – have been instructed by the state Board of Regents not to accept work permits from DACA recipients for in-state tuition purposes.

The Maricopa County Community College District has allowed students who receive work permits through the program to pay in-state tuition.

But Attorney General Tom Horne has filed a lawsuit in Superior Court arguing that the district, which includes 10 community colleges, is violating federal and state laws that prohibit undocumented immigrants from receiving public benefits.

Phoenix College student Carla Chavarria, 20, is worried she won't be able to afford college if Horne's lawsuit is successful.

Chavarria, an undocumented immigrant from Mexico who crossed the border illegally with her mother when she was 7, graduated from high school in May 2010. She studied at Scottsdale Community College for a year but had to drop out because she couldn't afford to pay out-of-state tuition.

She was approved for deferred action in January, making her eligible for in-state tuition at Maricopa County Community Colleges. This summer she took an English class at Phoenix College and plans to attend full-time in the fall.

Chavarria uses the money she earns from her graphic design business to pay for her tuition. Her goal is to get her associate's degree in marketing so she can transfer to the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, Calif.

But she said being forced to pay out-of state tuition would probably put college out of reach again for her.

"I wouldn't go to school in Arizona," she said "It probably would be too high of a cost for me.

Deferred-action recipients like Chavarria also face an uncertain future.

When he announced the program in June, 2012, Obama characterized the deferred-action program as a stop-gap measure until Congress passed legislation that would allow so-called "dreamers" to obtain legal status and eventually citizenship.

In June, the Senate passed a sweeping immigration reform bill that would put "dreamers" on a fast track to permanent residency and citizenship. Under the bill, they would apply for temporary legal status first, then for permanent residency five years after that. As soon as they received their green cards, they would be able to apply for citizenship. But the Senate immigration bill remains stalled in the GOP-controlled House, where Republicans are expected to lay out their own plan for tackling immigration reform in September.

"I feel kind of like I'm in limbo," Chavarria said. The DACA program "came at a time when we needed something. It gave us hope. But it has also pushed us to push for something bigger. We need some sort of bill or legislation that would benefit not only us dreamers but also our parents."
__________________
We shall win our Dream!
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Ianus
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Ianus
Find all posts by Ianus
#2
08-14-2013, 01:30 AM
Senior Member
Joined in Nov 2012
15,081 posts
Pianoswithoutfaith's Avatar
Pianoswithoutfaith
30 AP
Quote:
are forced to face the program's limitations and uncertain political future.
This article makes it seem like applicants had no idea of this
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face View Post
I personally knew that if he wins he's not going to be touching DACA.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face View Post
I hope Trump wins second term.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BestBefore1984 View Post
Tranny is not derogatory term dummy
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Pianoswithoutfaith
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Pianoswithoutfaith
Find all posts by Pianoswithoutfaith
#3
08-14-2013, 02:24 AM
Senior Member
Joined in Aug 2012
1,562 posts
Sgt.Peppers's Avatar
Sgt.Peppers
0 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith View Post
This article makes it seem like applicants had no idea of this
Right?

I'm steering away from the article.

But in all honesty either Reform happens this year or our parents get a TPS/DACA type thing in my opinion. Also i don't see DACA getting canceled or taken away even if a Republican gets elected. It's a Humanitarian program. I've read 2 articles both anti-reform stating this. This is too much heat for any President to take and they aren't going to even bother with it mark my words.
__________________
Application Received: 8/31/2012 SC: VT
Biometrics: 9/17/2012
I-821D/I-765 Approved: 8/1/2013
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Sgt.Peppers
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Sgt.Peppers
Find all posts by Sgt.Peppers
#4
08-14-2013, 11:07 AM
Senior Member
Joined in Aug 2012
2,113 posts
VeryNicePerson1's Avatar
VeryNicePerson1
0 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt.Peppers View Post
Right?

I'm steering away from the article.

But in all honesty either Reform happens this year or our parents get a TPS/DACA type thing in my opinion. Also i don't see DACA getting canceled or taken away even if a Republican gets elected. It's a Humanitarian program. I've read 2 articles both anti-reform stating this. This is too much heat for any President to take and they aren't going to even bother with it mark my words.
I agree with this.

But the only thing I am curious about is the renewal process. What are the possibilities of not being approved for a renewal? Do USCIS have to not approve lets say a couple people for no reason just to fulfill a "douchebag" quota? Can and will USCIS deny some renewal entries just because?
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
VeryNicePerson1
View Public Profile
Send a private message to VeryNicePerson1
Find all posts by VeryNicePerson1
#5
08-14-2013, 12:43 PM
Senior Member
From Virginia
Joined in Aug 2012
2,330 posts
Malign0n's Avatar
Malign0n
0 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith View Post
This article makes it seem like applicants had no idea of this
It's mostly to inform people that aren't undocumented
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Malign0n
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Malign0n
Find all posts by Malign0n
#6
08-14-2013, 01:46 PM
Senior Member
Joined in Aug 2012
1,562 posts
Sgt.Peppers's Avatar
Sgt.Peppers
0 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1 View Post
I agree with this.

But the only thing I am curious about is the renewal process. What are the possibilities of not being approved for a renewal? Do USCIS have to not approve lets say a couple people for no reason just to fulfill a "douchebag" quota? Can and will USCIS deny some renewal entries just because?
I think it's going to be exactly how the tps process is. As for the denials I don't think that will happen unless you get into some trouble. But of course if reform passes scratch all this, will be on our way to permanent residency and after Citizenship but will would still have to avoid getting into problems.
__________________
Application Received: 8/31/2012 SC: VT
Biometrics: 9/17/2012
I-821D/I-765 Approved: 8/1/2013
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
Sgt.Peppers
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Sgt.Peppers
Find all posts by Sgt.Peppers
#7
08-14-2013, 02:00 PM
Senior Member
Joined in Sep 2007
2,655 posts
dado123
0 AP
I know that in my field you have to be Green Card Holder, so will have to tread carefully.
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
dado123
View Public Profile
Send a private message to dado123
Find all posts by dado123
#8
08-14-2013, 02:52 PM
Senior Member
From Fort Worth, Texas
Joined in Dec 2008
904 posts
john_smith's Avatar
john_smith
0 AP
If CIR doesn't happen, time to push the 2 year limit of daca to 5!.
__________________
`
Daca.Us, a site for dreamers like you and me:


Daca.Us
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
john_smith
View Public Profile
Send a private message to john_smith
Find all posts by john_smith
#9
08-14-2013, 02:54 PM
Senior Member
Joined in Aug 2012
2,113 posts
VeryNicePerson1's Avatar
VeryNicePerson1
0 AP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt.Peppers View Post
I think it's going to be exactly how the tps process is. As for the denials I don't think that will happen unless you get into some trouble. But of course if reform passes scratch all this, will be on our way to permanent residency and after Citizenship but will would still have to avoid getting into problems.
Ya, I actually still think reform will have passed before January 1, 2014 chimes in...but I am cautiously optimistic.
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
VeryNicePerson1
View Public Profile
Send a private message to VeryNicePerson1
Find all posts by VeryNicePerson1
#10
08-14-2013, 06:27 PM
Senior Member
Joined in Jun 2007
2,690 posts
CIR_DREAM2009
210 AP
Article is a bit unfair since it focuses on the difficulties of Arizona Dreamers, most likely the hardest state to get by as a DACAmented Dreamer. I would have instead liked to have seen the author write about how Dreamers have fared in places like NY, FL, TX, and Cali and see if there are any common factors there.

The article also makes it sound like there's tons of disappointed DACA Dreamers out there, which I don't think is the case. Personally, I'm very thankful for DACA, and while not perfect, it has helped my life immensely.
__________________
EAD/DACA Renewal: 10/8/2014
  • Reply With Quote
Post your reply or quote more messages.
CIR_DREAM2009
View Public Profile
Send a private message to CIR_DREAM2009
Find all posts by CIR_DREAM2009
  • 1
  • 2
  • next ›


« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page

Contact Us - DREAM Act Portal - Archive - Top
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.