Trump Is Driving A Dramatic Split Between DREAMer Activists

Swim19 · 10-27-2017, 08:14 AM

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Activists are divided between pushing for clean DREAM legislation and trying to compromise with Trump, and are staring at each other across tactical lines.

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A recent weekly call of progressive groups to hash out DACA strategy was pock-marked with frustration, as participants questioned why Latino groups were working with conservatives who validate the White House, according to someone with knowledge of the call. "There have been tense conference calls and concern of leaking strategy to Republicans," the source said.

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Rocha's work with the bipartisan DACA group hit a snag even before its launch, when the burgeoning coalition couldn't come to an agreement on what principles it would back in negotiations between Congress and the White House, choosing instead to just broadly announce support for protecting DREAMers.

But Rocha said his open arms to the administration have helped in other ways. Rocha spoke to BuzzFeed from the airport, as he headed to Washington to have a follow-up meeting with Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to provide them with documentation for detained veterans without US citizenship to help the veterans get medication for post-traumatic stress disorder.

Rocha's goals are lofty — to "reassert LULAC on the national political scene," he said, being of the belief that few Latino organization actually have connections in the Trump White House. His approach has drawn detractors from outside the group.

Two national progressive Latino leaders told BuzzFeed News that Rocha's agenda does not line up with what the Hispanic community is asking for, a fight that's playing out among Democrats more broadly over what to demand from the White House in a DACA deal.

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"You can’t start compromising before seeing what’s going to be on the table," said Erika Andiola of Our Revolution, the Sen. Bernie Sanders-driven group. Andiola said the traditional politics and give-and-take advocacy approach that worked during Barack Obama's presidency is no longer feasible.

"We don’t have insiders working with the administration like we had with Obama," she said. "We have a very unstable president."

Rocha dismissed a clean DREAM Act as fantasy in the current political environment.

"While we would like to see a clean DREAM Act passed, the reality is we know that’s not going to happen, so what’s the alternative? Give me an alternative so we can support it," he said.

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Andiola said the devil will be in the details, concerned that her side will give in on interior enforcement without realizing the way increased policing would terrorize her community.

Rocha was upbeat.

"If that’s what they’re going to hitch DACA to, OK, lets get behind it," he said. "Eventually the spending bill has to get approved, and it would be a great Christmas gift to a lot of people unsure about their future."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarra...Vom#.rmarKLdGq

The article sounds a lot like the back and forth we have on the forum.

jaylove16 · 10-27-2017, 08:18 AM

Great article swim! Best chance we’ve had in a decade!

Smooth · 10-27-2017, 09:14 AM

"You can’t start compromising before seeing what’s going to be on the table," said Erika Andiola of Our Revolution, the Sen. Bernie Sanders-driven group

This is bullshit. 1. Durbin is already compromising. 2. The clean Dream Act movement is toxic to ongoing negotiations. 3. Most of the clean Dream Act people will never compromise--not now or later. My two cents.

Smooth · 10-27-2017, 09:31 AM

Edit: Republicans keep signaling what it is they want in a compromise bill. So, why are we still demanding a clean bill EVEN as as strategy. It is toxic as hell.

dreamer__13 · 10-27-2017, 09:34 AM

I want a clean Dream Act because I ain’t no dirty bitch.

hopeful_in_nyc · 10-27-2017, 09:34 AM

Good article. I completely agree that a clean dream act doesn't stand a chance, and I believe that behind closed doors those pushing for some type of reform know that. Something will come of this in December!

Demise · 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth

"You can’t start compromising before seeing what’s going to be on the table," said Erika Andiola of Our Revolution, the Sen. Bernie Sanders-driven group

This is bullshit. 1. Durbin is already compromising. 2. The clean Dream Act movement is toxic to ongoing negotiations. 3. Most of the clean Dream Act people will never compromise--not now or later. My two cents.

Have you considered spending those 2 cents on the_dotard or something? I'm sure they'll be happy to lynch you and spam you with pepes and "fuck you, we're full" copypastas.

Negotiating and compromising are not the same. A compromise is some kind of result of negotiations, give this for that. You go around throwing concessions from the get go and you'll just get fucked up the ass with no lube.

Clean dream act is the ideal goal, probably we won't get there but you start negotiating from here you will give some border security for that so the government doesn't collapse when it hits the debt ceiling. You start from RACA+Border security and you'll get nothing worth voting for. The movement is fine, aside those retards that decided to protest at Pelosi for whatever reason. Missing the forest for the trees aren't you.

Whether they compromise or not is secondary, majority of those people - are not congressmen, so either they will apply for whatever passes, or they can continue living without work permits.

Now in the opposite direction, if clean Dream Act, or Dream Act with a bit of border security does pass, I hope that you honor your current position and decline to apply for it because you've been shitting on everything democrats do while Donny Moscow is pissing in your ear.

Smooth · 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Demise

Have you considered spending those 2 cents on the_dotard or something? I'm sure they'll be happy to lynch you and spam you with pepes and "fuck you, we're full" copypastas.

Negotiating and compromising are not the same. A compromise is some kind of result of negotiations, give this for that. You go around throwing concessions from the get go and you'll just get fucked up the ass with no lube.

Clean dream act is the ideal goal, probably we won't get there but you start negotiating from here you will give some border security for that so the government doesn't collapse when it hits the debt ceiling. You start from RACA+Border security and you'll get nothing worth voting for. The movement is fine, aside those retards that decided to protest at Pelosi for whatever reason. Missing the forest for the trees aren't you.

Whether they compromise or not is secondary, majority of those people - are not congressmen, so either they will apply for whatever passes, or they can continue living without work permits.

Now in the opposite direction, if clean Dream Act, or Dream Act with a bit of border security does pass, I hope that you honor your current position and decline to apply for it because you've been shitting on everything democrats do while Donny Moscow is pissing in your ear.

Keep demanding a stupid clean bill and chances are you will derail shit and get nothing. Durbin has been negotiating already. We should be injecting ourselves in the negotiations because we will not like the compromise or end result that they reach ON OUR BEHALF. We will protest then about the end result, ask for revisions, and waste time.

Don't like the clean Dream Act movement period. You view it as a strategy. A lot of them don't see it as one. They are full of those retards that protested in front of pelosi. Your words not mine.

It is toxic rhetoric. I am not the only one who feels that way. Check social media and observe the dissent.

Anyway, there will not be a united front of dreamers asking for a clean bill.

fl_dreamer · 10-27-2017, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth

Keep demanding a stupid clean bill and chances are you will derail shit and get nothing. Durbin has been negotiating already. We should be injecting ourselves in the negotiations because we will not like the compromise or end result that they reach ON OUR BEHALF. We will protest then about the end result, ask for revisions, and waste time.

Don't like the clean Dream Act movement period. You view it as a strategy. A lot of them don't see it as one. They are full of those retards that protested in front of pelosi. Your words not mine.

It is toxic rhetoric. I am not the only one who feels that way. Check social media and observe the dissent.

Anyway, there will not be a united front of dreamers asking for a clean bill.

With Smooth on this one.

BeeHive · 10-27-2017, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth

Keep demanding a stupid clean bill and chances are you will derail shit and get nothing. Durbin has been negotiating already. We should be injecting ourselves in the negotiations because we will not like the compromise or end result that they reach ON OUR BEHALF. We will protest then about the end result, ask for revisions, and waste time.

Don't like the clean Dream Act movement period. You view it as a strategy. A lot of them don't see it as one. They are full of those retards that protested in front of pelosi. Your words not mine.

It is toxic rhetoric. I am not the only one who feels that way. Check social media and observe the dissent.

Anyway, there will not be a united front of dreamers asking for a clean bill.

I'm with smooth too.

If you want a clean dream act go join uwd.

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Trump Is Driving A Dramatic Split Between DREAMer Activists