DACA deal state of play

Swim19 · 02:42 PM

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Prepare for a December sprint

The past few months since Trump announced the end of DACA have been spent largely on getting organized for the real negotiation crunch time.

Several groups, with a range of formality, have been meeting and having conversations in both chambers and on both sides of the aisle.

In the House, there's Speaker Paul Ryan's working group, made up of key committee chairs and leaders on immigration from a wide range of viewpoints, but there are also other offshoot efforts, including the Problem Solvers Caucus and conservatives like the Freedom Caucus.

In the Senate, similarly, Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn and Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley are leading talks with other leading Republicans from across the spectrum.

Democrats have largely staked their request on a "clean" Dream Act, which simply isn't going to happen, but have also acknowledged they will likely need to agree to some border security. Just what they can live with, though, hasn't fully been decided.

Senate leading the way
The House talks have thus far not produced a clear path forward, and attention is increasingly turning to the Senate to lead the way.

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin is the Democrats' chief emissary on this, and he and Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham have been in very close contact throughout this process. But Graham himself lacks the juice to get DACA through his party, thus the Cornyn-Grassley talks.

Republicans have started to coalesce around a proposal that isn't quite as far right as the White House immigration priorities, but is still something Democrats will hate, including elements of Cornyn's border bill and an effort to cut back on "chain migration," or family-based visas. As of now, it appears to be an opening offer as both sides stake out their negotiating position.

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Democrats are also fully aware that their best, and likely only, leverage on this is with government funding, which runs out in mid-December.

The Senate will need 60 votes and Ryan likely will need Democrats in the House to make up for spending hawk defectors to pass the spending bill.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck

Schumer have yet to echo their left flank yet that they will take it to a government shutdown if they don't get DACA, but they're definitely not ruling it out. Pelosi said she doesn't expect Democrats will go home for Christmas without a DACA resolution.

"Kicking the can to next year is just to say, 'We're not doing this,'" Pelosi said Thursday.

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This is going to be a serious game of chicken up until funding is resolved.

Democratic Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a key immigration leader for Democrats, summed it up for me thusly the other day.

"They have the majority, if they have the votes, they can just go ahead. If they need Democrats, then there's things we're going to look at. I mean, we don't have an S-CHIP bill, we don't have any resolution for the DACA kids, we don't have a resolution for the subsidies, for the Affordable Care Act, there's a number of things they've screwed up, and that we need some resolution on.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/politi...lay/index.html

bettertomorrow1 · 11-17-2017, 02:48 PM

Ohhhhh shooot. Call me Ke$ha. I’m yelling timber.... because it’s going down.

fl_dreamer · 11-17-2017, 02:53 PM

There are way too many bills... they need to decide on one and then amend the shit out of it unless both sides are reasonably happy!

Got_Daca · 11-17-2017, 03:09 PM

December to remember

Swim19 · 11-17-2017, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer

There are way too many bills... they need to decide on one and then amend the shit out of it unless both sides are reasonably happy!

The Democrats have decided on a bill - The DREAM Act. It's really the GOP that are all over the place.

fl_dreamer · 11-17-2017, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Swim19

The Democrats have decided on a bill - The DREAM Act. It's really the GOP that are all over the place.

Unfortunately, nobody takes it seriously because it is too liberal with their age and entry date requirement but to my point, they need to start amending the bill to make both sides happy.

Swim19 · 11-17-2017, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer

Unfortunately, nobody takes it seriously because it is too liberal with their age and entry date requirement but to my point, they need to start amending the bill to make both sides happy.

Right, but isn't it better to start negotiations with a super liberal bill than one that's already restricted and then be forced to restrict more? The GOP can't agree on what they want and that makes it very difficult for Democrats to start amending.

libertarian1776 · 11-17-2017, 03:38 PM

sprint to the finish line baby!

2MoreYears · 11-17-2017, 04:09 PM

Fingers crossed!!

It would be my happiest Christmas ever!!

fl_dreamer · 11-17-2017, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Swim19

Right, but isn't it better to start negotiations with a super liberal bill than one that's already restricted and then be forced to restrict more? The GOP can't agree on what they want and that makes it very difficult for Democrats to start amending.

No, not realistically. Negotiations do not work when people are on the extreme opposite sides of the deal. Granted some Dems have gotten off the "clean DreamAct' bandwagon and have said they are willing to compromise but I wish DA was not so liberal for Republicans to take it more seriously.

Either way, lets hope they can all agree on this and get it done ASAP. Republicans have already started throwing around 2018.

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