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Dems sour on shutdown tactics

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01-24-2018, 01:23 AM
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...utdown-tactics

Senate Democrats say there’s no appetite in their caucus for forcing another government shutdown if Republicans refuse to agree to an immigration deal by a March 5 deadline.

Democratic senators who are mulling presidential bids in 2020 haven’t yet entirely backed away from shutdown threats, which could help them rev up support among the party base, but other Democrats have soured on it as a tactic.

Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.), who vowed last week to vote against any spending bill that didn’t help young immigrants facing deportation, on Tuesday waved away talk of another shutdown if the immigration talks promised by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) stall next month.

“We’re not talking in those terms. We’re talking in positive terms,” Durbin said. “Moving forward with the promised procedure from Sen. McConnell.”


Asked about the prospect of Democrats blocking a funding bill again to pressure Republicans to agree to an immigration deal, Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) said, “I wouldn’t anticipate that would be the case at all.”


A third Democratic senator said, “My instinct is a shutdown is off the table.”

“Shutdowns don’t work,” the lawmaker added.

Democrats didn’t come away entirely empty-handed from the three-day shutdown that furloughed hundreds of thousands of government workers.

They extracted a promise from McConnell to debate immigration legislation on a “level playing field” if leaders don’t reach a deal to protect “Dreamers” from deportation by Feb. 8.

Dreamers — certain immigrants who came to the country as minors — now face deportation because President Trump rescinded the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in September. The president gave Congress a March 5 deadline to replace the program.

Democrats already see troubling signs that Senate Republicans may insist on big concessions in return for allowing an immigration bill to pass next month.

They’re also worried about whether a Senate-passed bill has any chance of passing the House.

House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) told reporters Monday that his chamber was not bound to approve a bipartisan Senate compromise.

And Democrats view Trump as a wild card.

He told a group of lawmakers at the White House on Jan. 9 that he would sign whatever compromise they reached, but a few days later blasted a bipartisan Senate deal backed by Durbin and Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham (S.C.) and Jeff Flake (Ariz.) as “horrible” on border security.

Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) fumed that negotiating with Trump is like “negotiating with Jell-O.”

Given what they see as the reluctance of the White House and House Republicans to approve an immigration bill, some Democrats are now counseling their colleagues to readjust their expectations.

“We shouldn’t be overeager to get a deal, especially if [Sen.] Tom Cotton [R-Ark.] plays games and insists on an annual decrease in legal immigration to offset the Dreamers,” said the Democratic senator who requested anonymity to discuss party tactics. “We shouldn’t be afraid to walk away and let Republicans own this.”

A Democratic aide said that sentiment is “current with the thinking in the caucus.”

Democrats, however, say they could still block spending bills over poison-pill riders, such as language defunding Planned Parenthood, rolling back Wall Street regulations or gutting environmental rules.

Senate Democrats with White House aspirations don’t want to rule out any tools to pressure Republicans to agree to an immigration deal, including another possible shutdown.

“I don’t want to say anything is out of bounds,” said Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), a potential 2020 contender.

Aside from that small group, there’s growing sentiment among Senate Democrats that they exposed themselves politically by blocking a four-week spending bill on Friday because it didn’t help Dreamers.

Republicans attacked Democrats running for reelection in states that voted for Trump, such as Sen. Bob Casey Jr. (D-Pa.), as soft on illegal immigration.

“Sen. Casey cannot deny the fact that he has chosen to protect 4,900 illegal immigrants in Pennsylvania over 342,000 children who rely on the CHIP program for health insurance,” said Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), who is running for Casey’s seat.

A group of Democratic senators think that hardball tactics are unlikely to do much to pressure a critical number of Republicans to agree to an immigration compromise.

They note that stopping the deportation of tens of thousands of Dreamers is not solely a Democratic priority, but also a problem that Republicans have a political incentive to solve.

They believe Trump and Republican lawmakers will begin paying a political price as soon as television outlets start airing clips of families broken up because of deportations.

A Hart Research Associates poll released last week showed that 73 percent of voters in 12 Senate battleground states have a favorable view of Dreamers.

Democrats say Trump created the crisis facing Dreamers by rescinding DACA in September and made it worse by refusing to negotiate ahead of the shutdown.

They point out that Republicans control both branches of Congress and the White House and there’s only so much they can do to address the problem in the minority.

That means Democrats are ready to take the issue to voters in November instead of forcing another spending shutoff that closes the government.

Asked about the possibility of another government shutdown if Congress fails to send an immigration bill to Trump’s desk by March 5, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) said, “Boy, I hope not.”

“We need to get a long-term budget,” she added.

“I think that hopefully we’ll avoid it,” Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) said of another shutdown.
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01-24-2018, 01:37 AM
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They only did the shutdown to screw up the 1 yr anniversary. Had nothing to do with daca. Thats why they ended it so quick. It was just a short term stunt.
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2019 DREAMer baby. Let's go! Let's get these deportations on the road, let's get Republicans a 85 seat majority in the Senate. We should be set.

This article is straight trash. Basically the Dems are saying, we have no plans, we need to win reelection.
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They are totally selling us out, wow. If anything, they are hoping GOP does nothing, mid terms baby!
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2019 DREAMer baby. Let's go! Let's get these deportations on the road, let's get Republicans a 85 seat majority in the Senate. We should be set.

This article is straight trash. Basically the Dems are saying, we have no plans, we need to win reelection.
Isn't this basically what did happen?
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It seems clear to me that Democrats have decided that DACA isn't worth saving if it means giving concessions on lowering legal immigration.

The White House and Kelly have decided that they will not save DACA if it does not bring with it a reduction in legal immigration.

I get where the democrats are coming from. DACA has been a lot of trouble for them with very little benefit. They were trying hard for us because they truly wanted to save us. But they finally realized that the White House was going to use that empathy against them to try to get as many concessions as possible. So instead, they'll use this as a wedge issue during the 2018 elections to try to get more votes.

Truly, if you're a democratic US senator, what's the point of giving up wall + diversity lottery + family reunification for DACA? Much better for them politically to just forget about it.
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It seems clear to me that Democrats have decided that DACA isn't worth saving if it means giving concessions on lowering legal immigration.

The White House and Kelly have decided that they will not save DACA if it does not bring with it a reduction in legal immigration.

I get where the democrats are coming from. DACA has been a lot of trouble for them with very little benefit. They were trying hard for us because they truly wanted to save us. But they finally realized that the White House was going to use that empathy against them to try to get as many concessions as possible. So instead, they'll use this as a wedge issue during the 2018 elections to try to get more votes.

Truly, if you're a democratic US senator, what's the point of giving up wall + diversity lottery + family reunification for DACA? Much better for them politically to just forget about it.
Unfortunately, that's the reality. If it was for 11 million, then maybe yes. There's not much power to do more..the best if get your renewals in and hope SCOTUS doesn't decide until late summer.
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Unfortunately, that's the reality. If it was for 11 million, then maybe yes. There's not much power to do more..the best if get your renewals in and hope SCOTUS doesn't decide until late summer.
Bastard republicunts on the supreme court agreed to expedite Sessions' petition to strike down the lower court ruling. I think they can't wait to kill the zombie DACA.
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I guess we can’t even trust Durbin
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I guess we can’t even trust Durbin
Well he is part of the Deportation Caucus 2.0.
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