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DareToAct 05-27-2013 12:48 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAEhS...be_gdata_playe

Femen is gaining momentum

Happyman0607 05-27-2013 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 481066)
hmmm do people take feminist seriously?

No lmfao.. If you ever encounter one just wave and smile

Octavum 05-27-2013 02:21 AM

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man.. you're right about the ignorance everywhere. I guess a lot of us dreamers have been corrupted by the greedy me me me attitude. also of course the new popular hate is for men to be rude to woman who want rights as it was for everyone else who wanted rights.

IamAman 05-27-2013 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Octavum (Post 481102)
man.. you're right about the ignorance everywhere. I guess a lot of us dreamers have been corrupted by the greedy me me me attitude. also of course the new popular hate is for men to be rude to woman who want rights as it was for everyone else who wanted rights.

I guess it depends on your definition of Feminism. I am all for equal rights, I really am. The Feminist movement however goes way beyond that blaming men for everything and sets women to be victims. It's kind of like what PETA has done for animal rights. I am against animal cruelty, but I'm not going to feel like a murderer if I decide to have bacon and eggs for breakfast.

Severity 05-27-2013 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 481066)
hmmm do people take feminist seriously?

Not really.

Octavum 05-27-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 481192)
I guess it depends on your definition of Feminism. I am all for equal rights, I really am. The Feminist movement however goes way beyond that blaming men for everything and sets women to be victims. It's kind of like what PETA has done for animal rights. I am against animal cruelty, but I'm not going to feel like a murderer if I decide to have bacon and eggs for breakfast.

yeah I heard the same excuse for black rights activists wanting to kill all whities, undocumented people wanting to take back mexico and kicking out europeans, gay people wanting to turn other men gay and so on. the vast majority of feminist are normal. follow feminist frequency on youtube or go to jezebel.com
I am a guy as well and have noticed sexism be huge against women.

IamAman 05-27-2013 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Octavum (Post 481216)
yeah I heard the same excuse for black rights activists wanting to kill all whities, undocumented people wanting to take back mexico and kicking out europeans, gay people wanting to turn other men gay and so on. the vast majority of feminist are normal. follow feminist frequency on youtube or go to jezebel.com
I am a guy as well and have noticed sexism be huge against women.

Really? You were around in the 60's? Using your logic, being against the Black Panthers would make me be a racist too. I followed the feminist movement before there was a youtube so this isn't something that I just suddenly heard about. I support many causes but do not blindly follow certain groups who have their own agenda, including immigration groups who end up hurting our cause.

Octavum 05-27-2013 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 481269)
Really? You were around in the 60's? Using your logic, being against the Black Panthers would make me be a racist too. I followed the feminist movement before there was a youtube so this isn't something that I just suddenly heard about. I support many causes but do not blindly follow certain groups who have their own agenda, including immigration groups who end up hurting our cause.

using my logic being against them means your racist/sexist? I never said that, me mentioning being a guy and noticing sexism against woman just means that. I wasn't calling you sexist or anything. I just said that because the general response to women's rights is women are not oppressed any more and just call themselves victims now. this is why the general response ( not you specifically) on this thread is "yeah yeah don't take those feminist seriously" even though feminism is a collection of movements not one specifically. the equivalent would be like saying your against the civil rights movement because you don't like the black panthers.
not being aggressive toward you if it "looks"that way in type lol.

IamAman 05-27-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Octavum (Post 481275)
using my logic being against them means your racist/sexist? I never said that, me mentioning being a guy and noticing sexism against woman just means that. I wasn't calling you sexist or anything. I just said that because the general response to women's rights is women are not oppressed any more and just call themselves victims now. this is why the general response ( not you specifically) on this thread is "yeah yeah don't take those feminist seriously" even though feminism is a collection of movements not one specifically. the equivalent would be like saying your against the civil rights movement because you don't like the black panthers.
not being aggressive toward you if it "looks"that way in type lol.

I really don't want to go around in circles but my point is that not supporting a group is not the same thing as being against the cause. The bigger point is that people in our situation - being undocumented, we are truly screwed. I can't think of a single movement in the US in the last 30 years that even comes close to our cause - there are 11 million people here who basically have no rights. Gay rights movement? Feminists? Black Rights? They all have more rights than we do. I think it's odd that someone in our shoes would put precedence in any other movement at the time until we get the same rights those other groups have.

Women can vote
Blacks can vote
gays can vote

We can't even get a driver's license except for a few lucky ones with DACA.

Octavum 05-27-2013 04:10 PM

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I feel ya. Guess I am just an angry person who has a utopia in my head that we should all be working together for the same thing and not say I am more of a victim than you are. probably not going to happen though.
makes me feel bad because I see Anarcha-feminist vigorously defending dreamers at times. that's another reason why I am defending them.


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