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im actually a 28 year old corporate man.

glad to know im living in your heads rent free, good thing facts always prevail and not feelings.

they are trying to pair up the new regulations and Obamas DACA to kill them both at the same time when they reach SCOTUS. i actually thought they were going to kill DACA then the regulations but at least we got more time for the inevitable.

keep seething NPCs.

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why do you sound like Ben Shapiro? T_T

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This was a good summary of where we are, and unfortunately timeline seems to be TBD:

@leedsgarcia
There is a lot of confusion about today's 5th Circuit decision on DACA and the political implications of it. Let me explain some more about my honest take of things 1/

There are multiple political things at play. The length of time Dems will be in the majority in both chambers in Congress. The length of time Biden will be President. The length of time DACA recipients can renew. The length of time Hanen will take to take down Biden's rule 2/

Length of time Dems in majority: this matters because if R's win House in Nov & SCOTUS rules while they have House control it's hard to get a deal done. 3/

Length of time Biden is President: this matters because if Court & Democratic can kicking pushes into election year incentives to not act get gross and/or if Republicans win the White House in 2024 deportation protections (if those remain post SCOTUS) could go out the

Length of time DACA recipients can renew: this matters because when DACA eventually is taken down by SCOTUS or the 5th (&/or SCOTUS doesn't even take it which could be a possibility too), the closer to 2 years folks are the longer they could be protected before extreme changes 5/

People are *over-interpreting* today's ruling on the pros of a longer renewal period because there will be a couple more months while Hanen takes down the Biden Rule & *under-interpreting* the consequences of the above two points and who holds the bag later. 6/

The length of time Hanen takes to rule next: this is the big unknown that could set the stage for the above. Does he set a briefing & ruling schedule before the Rule goes into effect (I assume not?)? Does DHS begin implementation? Does he keep a similar renewal stay? When? 7/

The point is. THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON TO BE GUESSING IN THE CRYSTAL BALL OF THE LITIGATION & ELECTORAL FUTURE W/ DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES. A choice to not do this in lame duck by Dems is a choice that they are okay with Dreamers losing protections. 8/

There is nothing good to wait for here. To policymakers: get in a room. get a deal. And get it done. This isn't easy but it only gets harder from here. 9/

https://twitter.com/leedsgarcia/stat...03470471499778

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If the courts end up leaving DACA alone as it is where only renewals are open and no new applications.

I would bet that the 600,000 to 800,000 or so renewal applicants will eventually get some kind of immigration bill grandfathering them into full legal status and then eventually green cards.

It's a long shot...but I see that happening...but only happening with the relatively small batch of 800,000 beneficiaries.

Will never happen with millions of possible beneficiaries.

But all of this is based on alot of 'ifs'

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they gotta do something during the lame duck session.

at this point, whoever is in (600k of us) is in. we will get some sort of relief going forward. we are not going back to the shadows or deported.


only those 600k. Amnesty for anything over that is IMPOSSIBLE.

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Democrats should just trade us in for intense border security to Republicans.

the 600k dreamers + border security should be like a pilot program, so they can see if amnesty + border security can work at a small level. under 1 million beneficiaries and good border security.

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UWD is going to be fighting tooth and nail against what you're suggesting...Their mission is clear..."Amnesty for all undocumented, or nothing!" Because they know that is not going to pass...they do not want us to become left...Just wait and see...They will come out with fear mongering ads to start raising money..this is their main time to earn big bucks...and their end game is to ensure things continue the way they are for years to come...

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The problem is that Dem always tries to push the most amount of people possible.

There is enough GOP support that Daca + border security + asylum reform could pass (not definitely).

We need a legislative win on immigration, I cannot remember when the last one was. What happening in congress is not working, they need to try something different.

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The GOP do the same thing - try to get the most conservative and restrict immigration reform possible.

We need compromise, but that doesn't exist anymore in Congress. It's my way or the highway sentiment.

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Lame duck session might have a window to pass DA.