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01-14-2011, 01:38 AM
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America should have the right to bear arms just like in any other country, just don't give them to the crazy people that go into an rampage killing innocents.

Also, they should not sell them by the dozen. I mean, come on, regulations were created so that they could be used to regulate anything that is out of the ordinary.

In Mexico, people can't even enjoy a good night dinner at a restaurant because there is the great possibility of getting killed by the cartels or by the dumb army guys. Over there there is an average of 30 deaths a day.
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01-14-2011, 01:45 AM
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I think guns should be banned. We have security alarms.
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01-14-2011, 02:59 AM
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America should have the right to bear arms just like in any other country...
Just like any other country? My friend, Americans are the leading nation in the world for gun possesion by civilians. By a mile. The second most armed, Yemen, has a rate not even half of that of US.
Those societies that have strict gun control also have violent crime rate flat and close to bottom since time immemorable. It isn't rocket science. You'll have to wait for Columbine, Virginia Tech and Ft. Hood epizodes there for decades. Here, it took few years. And these are only those highly publicized rampages. The sad list is even longer for those less documented that got printed on page 6 L of a local newspaper.
We have newly elected representatives in the House that took an oath to serve people's best interest. How hopefull should we be that they realize the people's best interest regarding gun control? But oh no, they have this pressing immigration problem at hand right now to find the Final Solution for.
No guns for civilians. Period.
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01-14-2011, 04:04 AM
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Those societies that have strict gun control also have violent crime rate flat and close to bottom since time immemorable. It isn't rocket science..
Not true....prime example, look at Mexico. Now look at sweden w/their somewhat lax control laws and their crime rate. An armed society is a polite society I say.
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01-14-2011, 11:51 AM
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Not true....prime example, look at Mexico. Now look at sweden w/their somewhat lax control laws and their crime rate. An armed society is a polite society I say.
If Sweden's control is lax, then gulag is a summer resort. I don't know how could you say that about Sweden.
Armed society isn't a polite society. Prime example: our own US of A.
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01-14-2011, 03:40 PM
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If Sweden's control is lax, then gulag is a summer resort. I don't know how could you say that about Sweden.
Armed society isn't a polite society. Prime example: our own US of A.
You forgot to bold 'somewhat' when you quoted me. Sure it may not be a walk in the park like in the US, but pretty much any bloke that fits the bill can own one just like in the US, and there is not all the BS red tape like in Mexico. What, you thought because it was Europe you'd need some sort of license to kill?

Here I'll even quote the procedure....it seems no harder than what certain states impose on their citizens.

''Greetings, everybody!

I was asked to share swedish guns laws with you guys. Let`s start off with what you have to do to be able to get a gun in Sweden...

To start with, you have to be 18 yrs or older to qualify in to getting a gun.

Second: You have to have been "clean" for atleast 5 years. If you have a license and get arrested, even down to beeing to drunk so the police take you in and place you in custody over the night, you could lose you`re license and they will take you`re gun. No compensation given for the weapons they take.

Third: You have to be a member in a shooting club and follow their rules. That includes taking a newbie (spelling?) course. That will cost you about 250$. You have to pass the shooting test and the theorethical (spelling, again...) test in order to get passed. Once you have passed you get a green card. Then you have to have been a member for 6 months and have passed another, more difficult shooting test (called "gold series") in order to be able to buy youre first gun. Oh, i almost forgot, you have to have done 4 competitions in that weapons class to be able to buy the gun. But since you have been a member no longer than 6 months, you can not buy anything else that a .22 pistol or revolver... This can vary between diffrent clubs though, i think. Anyways. After a year you can buy any gun you want that is legal in Sweden, but only if you have participated in 4 or more competitions for that weapons class.

So, let`s say i have been a member in a club for 1 year, passed all the test and done 4 competitions with a A-gun, for example a Glock 17. Now all i have to do is send in an activity card to the board (the ones who decide things =)) in my club, give them the exakt dates for the competitions i have participated in, and show them my proof of a gold series (the one i mentioned before) that is no older than 1 year (forgot to tell you that you have to update you`re gold series every year, an instructor have to see you shooting the gold series and then he, and only him, can make a nothe about it in a shooting card that everyone has.), and then they will probably give you a note that says you are an active member of the club and have passed the test that is needed.
Before you do this, you have to know what gun you want since that guns serial number have to be on the note you get from the club.
So, off to the police station. At the policestation you give them the note from you`re club and pay them about 30$, then they will come back to you in a couple of weeks and hopefully give you a license on that gun. Oh, i almost forgot, you have to show them a invoice on a safety cabinet (?) You have to have all youre weapons in such a cabinet in sweden by law.
The police can come knock on you`re door to check if you are stooring youre weapons correctly, if not they will take all youre guns and press charges.

Well, i think that is about it. And if you want to get another gun, you have to get a new note from you`re club. Smooth, right?

Another thing, if decide not to be a active member, the police can come knocking on you`re door after 2 years and take you`re guns away.

If you want two 9 mm guns, you have to motivate it, or else they wont give you a license on two guns of the same caliber. The max ammount of weapons you can have is 11 now i think, including huntingrifles and so on, but they are about to cchange it to 6 or 8, can`t remember which...
I`m sure i left some of all the stupid rules out, but i think this gives you a pretty good idea how it works in sweden.

If you guys have any questions, just post them and i will answer them as soon as i can. ''
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01-14-2011, 03:52 PM
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Does not matter what ya say because it will never change the 2amendment privileges in this country. The gun lobby is the strongest in our country by far and will never be defeated. Especially when the perceived notion that the US president is trying to make the country socialist which plays right into the reason you can bear arms in this country to be part of a militia to protect yourself from a rogue government.
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01-14-2011, 05:11 PM
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Just like any other country? My friend, Americans are the leading nation in the world for gun possesion by civilians. By a mile. The second most armed, Yemen, has a rate not even half of that of US.
It's obvious that you haven't spent a new years in Mexico. Over there, if you can't buy a weapon at an arms shop, you can get them at the flea market.

On new years, every citizen with weapons go to the street, or the roof of their home and shoot to the air hundreds of rounds for at least one hour. Yemen is only a fraction the size of Mexico. Notice that most of the weapons that are in Mexico come from the U.S.

When I was a kid and I used to live over there, we used to spend new years in side the house praying for a bullet not hit our roof. It's like a live war zone.

Anything from shotguns, AK's automatic machine pistols, UZIS, Tommy Guns, and any weapon made that you can think about.
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01-14-2011, 05:13 PM
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01-14-2011, 05:16 PM
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It's obvious that you haven't spent a new years in Mexico. Over there, if you can't buy a weapon at an arms shop, you can get them at the flea market.

On new years, every citizen with weapons go to the street, or the roof of their home and shoot to the air hundreds of rounds for at least one hour. Yemen is only a fraction the size of Mexico. Notice that most of the weapons that are in Mexico come from the U.S.

When I was a kid and I used to live over there, we used to spend new years in side the house praying for a bullet not hit our roof. It's like a live war zone.

Anything from shotguns, AK's automatic machine pistols, UZIS, Tommy Guns, and any weapon made that you can think about.
I knew I had ignored you for a reason....that is the biggest load of bullshit I've read in these forums.
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