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11-26-2011, 05:13 PM
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This is my personal opinion and is only based on my day to day life. I put up this opinion to get people thinking and in hopes that it will clarify some things for you.

-The dream act won't pass in the next 2 years. Take this to the bank, there is no political appetite for it and even if the immigration tide is changing I think CIR in some form has more chances that a Dream Act alone.

-Mexico will be violent for at least another 5 years, 8 for central America. I know some of you are not from those countries but let's face it 80 percent of the people waiting for the dream act are Central American or Mexican.

-The economy is not going to get any traction until 2013 so don't expect jobs until then. I know everyone is hoping for a strong 2012 but with Europe failing 2012 is going to be another wasted year.

-E-verify will become the law of the land. It makes sense, it's the best way to keep us from getting jobs.

-The USA will look a lot more like England. I think the USA will be more and more like England. Tougher on immigration, with a bigger gap between poor and rich and a expensive place to live.

-Computer programing won't be such a great ability in 10 years. I think programers and computer people in general will have the same fate as mechanics did in the 60's. The computer/software is getting saturated with people with computer abilities. Unless you find a niche it will be hard to compete. But finding a niche is the secret to getting money on any career.

I will post some more in the evening
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-Computer programing won't be such a great ability in 10 years. I think programers and computer people in general will have the same fate as mechanics did in the 60's. The computer/software is getting saturated with people with computer abilities. Unless you find a niche it will be hard to compete. But finding a niche is the secret to getting money on any career.
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11-26-2011, 06:05 PM
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Besides that, I do agree that the federal Dream Act won't pass anytime soon. I'm putting my hopes on the NY Dream Act instead - I think it'll pass within the next two years. And honestly, with all the BS going on in this country, I'm losing the desire to stay here.
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11-26-2011, 06:07 PM
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I haven't seen one act of violence and I have been here since August. Its only the poor fools who for some reason decide to live near the border who deal with that. I was in Veracruz las weekend....completely quiet now
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11-26-2011, 08:01 PM
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-Computer programing won't be such a great ability in 10 years. I think programers and computer people in general will have the same fate as mechanics did in the 60's. The computer/software is getting saturated with people with computer abilities. Unless you find a niche it will be hard to compete. But finding a niche is the secret to getting money on any career.
What does programming have to do with the Dream Act?

Programming/Software development is here to stay for a very loooong time. It's an evolving field the day you stop learning is the day you're no longer relevant and ready to retire.
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11-26-2011, 08:17 PM
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This is my personal opinion and is only based on my day to day life. I put up this opinion to get people thinking and in hopes that it will clarify some things for you.

-The dream act won't pass in the next 2 years. Take this to the bank, there is no political appetite for it and even if the immigration tide is changing I think CIR in some form has more chances that a Dream Act alone.

-Mexico will be violent for at least another 5 years, 8 for central America. I know some of you are not from those countries but let's face it 80 percent of the people waiting for the dream act are Central American or Mexican.

-The economy is not going to get any traction until 2013 so don't expect jobs until then. I know everyone is hoping for a strong 2012 but with Europe failing 2012 is going to be another wasted year.

-E-verify will become the law of the land. It makes sense, it's the best way to keep us from getting jobs.

-The USA will look a lot more like England. I think the USA will be more and more like England. Tougher on immigration, with a bigger gap between poor and rich and a expensive place to live.

-Computer programing won't be such a great ability in 10 years. I think programers and computer people in general will have the same fate as mechanics did in the 60's. The computer/software is getting saturated with people with computer abilities. Unless you find a niche it will be hard to compete. But finding a niche is the secret to getting money on any career.

I will post some more in the evening

As a stand-alone bill, the DA does not have a chance. If something does happen, it will be CIR or a combination of the DA and border security measure.

As for everything else, I disagree with you. Here we go again with making thoughtful analyses (which are essentially PREDICTIONS) about the future. Alot can happen in two to three years.

Again, if you are fed up, please leave; no one is holding you back. But, don't try to make it miserable for those who decide to stay here and view things differently.
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11-26-2011, 08:58 PM
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-The USA will look a lot more like England. I think the USA will be more and more like England. Tougher on immigration, with a bigger gap between poor and rich and a expensive place to live.

-Computer programing won't be such a great ability in 10 years. I think programers and computer people in general will have the same fate as mechanics did in the 60's. The computer/software is getting saturated with people with computer abilities. Unless you find a niche it will be hard to compete. But finding a niche is the secret to getting money on any career.
Umm...From what I have researched, England seems like a great place to live. Yeah it's expensive if you live in London, but housing in the outer cities isn't that bad.

And software engineering is here to say. Have you ever studied computer science???
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11-26-2011, 09:58 PM
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Agree with the Dream act part but your other statement about programming makes very little sense. In 1999, I went to this girl's home and her dad asked me what I was studying and I told him computer science. His daughter was a hotel major. He was kind of laughing at me saying "I don't think they can make computers any more advanced than now. I mean how much more can they add to my word processor?" Nevermind that since then, computer music, videos, tablets, photography, social networking, etc. etc. etc. was developed.

Not only that, many kids who grew up with computers today are absolute idiots. Their computer knowledge is just to get on facebook and play games. Software isn't going to write it self and only a select few have those skills. To use your car analogy, in the old day, most people who had cars knew how to work on them. Now very few do even though more people know how to drive.

Granted, in my current mess, I am wasting away my CS degree, but that's a different story. I actually had job offers that I had to turn down.
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11-27-2011, 01:18 PM
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Please don't get so offended about my comments like I told you all before this is my personal opinion based on what I see everyday on my business life.

I will defend two points that seem to cause a lot of controversy.

Programers won't be the super stars that they are right now. I know this hits a lot of you because you choose that career because of the rock-star status. But hear me out, the problem with computer programing is that it can be done anywhere in the world, it can be learn by anyone with basic math skills and the information is online for anyone to see. Right now knowledge on programing is rare and mostly a first world ability but how long do you think is going to take for the developing nations to catch up. After that just do the math, Brazil, India, Russia and China have almost half of all the population of the world. When they start programing computers at the same rates as we are in the USA they will dominate the market since they can offer cheaper and more diverse business models. Some of you point out that some of the programing abilities are rare true. But to create a website for mass consumption you don't need a lot of really rare talent. Most of what makes money in the web is cheap to make. Let me sum up my argument in a central idea. The web is going to grow enormously on the upcoming years but is going to grow into mass use not specific use. What that means is we are going to see people taking the existing web services and creating business models for it. For somebody with a basic degree in programing it means the competition is going to grow and a lot of their abilities will be automatize.

But then again I could be wrong and we will keep paying inflated prices for companies that have no assets or working business models.



One of you told me to leave and not make everyone feel miserable. I'm sorry you feel that way but that has to do more with what you are feeling right now. I'm not leaving because I have created a rather nice life for me and my family. I do stand by my prediction that the dream act is not going to pass. Look at the political reality and how bills become laws in the USA right now. The only laws that are being enacted have big backers with well set up media machines and lobbyist in washington. The dream act does not have that, who are our backers? What is our media machine a Filipino that is trying to become famous to sell a book. Marches and protesting looks nice but it does not accomplish anything. You know why the Occupy movement or the tea party gets so much press, because they have well set up media machines behind them. If we don't have that this bill won't pass. Now CIR is getting pick up by chambers of commerce and some business associations. A lot of business need cheap labor and the business associations have the money to pass something. The problem is they don't really have the will, what happen in the South is getting people moving but it will take at least a couple of years to build a coalition to make it happen.

Now I make this point not to discourage people but to get people out of that old mentality. The mantra is you go to school and get good grades we give you a good job. Well I have a new mantra you learn as much as you can by any means necessary than you use your talents to create your own good job. Ask yourself if I was a citizen what would I be doing then find a way to do that.

Let me give you an example I study marketing because I wanted to create business and create commercials. I worked for marketing companies with a made up social, then I found a way to do what I love. I got a ITIN and open a business, that work out now I'm preparing the second business. The third business is already on the drawing board and guess what I'm going to be able to make commercials on my third business. So find a way and stop begging.
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