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09-11-2008, 03:47 PM
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ACCORDING TO Jorge Mariscal, a University of California-San Diego professor, Vietnam veteran and prominent critic of military recruitment strategies, the DREAM Act would take advantage of the circumstances facing this section of youth.

"You are talking about a population that is absolutely desperate for legalization," he said. "And they are so desperate that they are going to join for the wrong reasons."

Or as Rick Jahnkow, coordinator of the Encinitas, Calif.,-based Project on Youth and Non-Military Opportunities, told the San Diego Union-Tribune, "I think some will want to join the military, but I think more will essentially be coerced into it."

In fact, in promoting the DREAM Act, sponsor Dick Durbin allied with prominent Republicans and the Defense Department, which saw the law as a solution to the military's difficulties in meeting recruitment quotas.

"It turns out that many in the Department of Defense believe, as I do, that the DREAM Act is an important part of making certain we have talented young men and women ready to serve in our military," Durbin was quoted as saying in the Army Times.

"Largely due to the war in Iraq, the Army is struggling to meets its recruitment goals," he said. "Under the DREAM Act, tens of thousands of well-qualified potential recruits would become eligible for military service for the first time. They are eager to serve in the armed forces during a time of war."
Do you think it's wrong to look at the Dream Act as a way for the military to meet recruit requirements? I mean, I know that our generation of DREAMers is so eager that we'd jump at anything for a chance at legalization, and that's just it. I WOULD. If they said they're passing a bill tomorrow that would entitle any undocumented resident to a green card if they joined the military, I'd be the first person in the damn line. Although that isn't my plan if/when the DREAM passes, I want to go to school with no military intentions at all. Im just saying, if it were the only option, I wouldn't think twice.
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09-11-2008, 04:51 PM
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The Dream Act is giving people the opportunity to achieve something that we can't achieve on our own but it's also giving us a choice it's either college or the Army it's not like their forcing anyone to join. Yes we all are desperate to become legal but not all of us want to join the Army in order to do so. It wouldn't look good for the U.S. if they were forcing every to join or get out. If we were all pressure into joining the army with no other choice I personally wouldn't feel any honor or duty to serve in the army when I'm being treated like I don't belong why would I give my life for a country that has made me so miserable. Not only would it made the U.S. look like the worst place in the world where you haft to lay down your life just to achieve WHAT WE ALL DESERVE we need to be given a choice those that want to study and those that want to serve in the Army that’s the only way the U.S. can start to fix the mess we're in. Now don't get me wrong I Love this country and I don't ever want to leave ever but I also want to feel like my opinion counts for something. I don't really feel like picking up a gun and kill someone to be deserving of a better future that my mom fought for just to give me an opportunity to get away from all the violence and make a better life for myself.
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09-11-2008, 04:57 PM
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Well I know when we were pushing for DREAM Act we were even highlighting the joining the army aspect of it in hopes for more support to get it passed. I don't think there's anything wrong with there being the army option in the DREAM Act because there is a choice. Now if it were the only option, then I'd agree that the military was taking advantage of the unfortunate circumstances undocumented students find themselves in, and their desperation to be legalized.
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I agree with the both of you, and I completely understand whats morally incorrect, and what we deserve. But we're talking about the Divided states of America here, What we deserve is always understood, but rarely acknowledged. I know that it's messed up, im just saying, hypothetically speaking, IF that were the case, would you not jump at the opportunity? or would you be disgusted enuff to turn your back and leave?
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09-12-2008, 03:38 AM
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I would be very disappointed in seeing how little they think of us just using us to keep their quotas up to date. I would be disgusted but perhaps I'm not desperate enough to even give it a second thought.
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I would thank God and join the military.
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I would thank God and join the military.
amen !! lol
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09-15-2008, 03:47 PM
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i been here since i was 1 year old and i love this country more then my native one. even tho people say that we are at war for the wrong reason i will still fight for it if the dream act past. but i would join the NAVY!
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ha. i would join the marines.

even if i dont agree with the whole "don't ask, don't tell bullshit."

it would only be a few years of commitment. and after that, i'd be home free. and because i'm a chick, i wouldn't be in a combat position =]
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When it comes to the military's motivations for passing DREAM, I agree with that professor who criticized what would happen if it were passed. Obviously, the military is looking out for its own interests, not those of the Dreamers. We all know the military wouldn't even bat an eye at this untapped pool of enlistees that Dreamers are if there were no shortage.

Critics of the military aspect acknowledge that there is a choice, however they feel that when people desperate for legal recognition in what they consider their home country are presented with the clear and obtainable possibility of legal recognition, that the military's aggressive recruiting tactics and seemingly straight-forward nature will appear to be the "easy" path to legalization. In addition, there will be some Dreamers who post-legalization still will not be able to make enough, be unable to acquire scholarships for whatever reason, or just plain can't/won't go to college who will see no choice but to join up. (That's the "forced in" part.)

With that said, however, I agree with you guys that the aspect of choice within the Dream Act makes it an excellent piece of legislation that must be passed ASAP. I feel that, however it is done, the college option must have equal share with the military option in the mind of those Dreamers that benefit from this.

(I also agree that if it were ONLY the military aspect, then it would be an immoral piece of excrement-type bill, with this type of disturbing rationale behind it: "Take this rifle and go fight for four to six years, ONLY THEN will be legalized in the only country you know and love. Education?? That's for unpatriotic intellectual pansies!! You must hate this country!! Get out!!")
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