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Republican Rand Paul Says Some Immigrants in US illegally Should Be Able To Work

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Immigrants in the country illegally should be allowed to stay and work as long as they haven't committed any other crimes, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul told The Enquirer on Wednesday.

But they should not be allowed to become citizens, said Paul, a Republican from Bowling Green, Kentucky, who now heads the influential Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee


"I would simply say, 'you no longer have to run from the law,'" Paul said of undocumented immigrants who have not committed any crimes. "If you want to work in our country and you're willing to be a productive member of our society, you stay. And that would be the trade-off."

U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican, said some immigrants in the country illegally should be allowed to stay and work. Paul, in an interview with The Enquirer, struck a different tone than President Donald Trump, who promised to deport all people who came to the country illegally in what he called the "largest deportation program in American history."

Paul: Criminals should be deported first

Paul agreed with much of Trump's immigration policies, including the deportation of criminals living in the United States illegally. When asked who should be deported, Paul said the country should first deport criminals and "then decide where we go beyond that."


For those who came to the country illegally but have otherwise worked and lived peacefully, Paul said they should be allowed a work permit.

"If I were in charge, I would allow people, if they are not wanted for crime, have not committed a crime, and they've been living here in a reasonable fashion, if they wanted to work, I'd allow them to have work permits," Paul said. "But I wouldn't give them a path to citizenship or a path to voting."
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...y/78512387007/

If the Republicans manage to pass any form of immigration relief, even if it's just for a small group like dreamers, it will be the end for the Democrats. They will no longer have a platform to campaign on and the chains will come off.
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as i said before and will keep saying it, Trump will pull a Reagan and do a major overhaul of the entire Immigration system because it's the only way to fix the issue once and for all, and we DACAs are the key needed.

once DACA is killed by SCOTUS all hell will break lose and the fun will begin.

fully agree on EADs, they are not going to stay here anyways nor are they interested in voting.

i KNOW United We Dream and the other parasites will do everything to block and block.
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You all realize you're getting your panties wet over extremely blurry goal posts, right?

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When asked who should be deported, Paul said the country should first deport criminals and "then decide where we go beyond that."

"first deport criminals" WTF does that even mean? All criminals? Some criminals? What is a criminal? When will that realistically happen so that in his head, it is satisfactory enough to begin providing benefits to non-criminal aliens?
None of what Rand Paul is saying is specific, so you can't take his hot gas seriously. You all fall for the orange felons' hot gas, so no surprise there.

This also does not take into consideration how Ds are in no way going to give Trump and Rs any win on immigration closer to midterms.

Work on your plan B instead of grasping at straws.
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You all realize you're getting your panties wet over extremely blurry goal posts, right?


"first deport criminals" WTF does that even mean? All criminals? Some criminals? What is a criminal? When will that realistically happen so that in his head, it is satisfactory enough to begin providing benefits to non-criminal aliens?
None of what Rand Paul is saying is specific, so you can't take his hot gas seriously. You all fall for the orange felons' hot gas, so no surprise there.

This also does not take into consideration how Ds are in no way going to give Trump and Rs any win on immigration closer to midterms.

Work on your plan B instead of grasping at straws.
It seems like all you do is cry and whine at the idea of Republicans considering a solution to the problem. It appears you can't handle the fact that Dreamers might have a chance to fix their status because you have your own big plan B. Congratulations on that, I wish I could give you a big cookie and a pat on the back for it.

It is a positive step that Republicans are openly addressing the issue of fixing our status. There should be no outrage towards this progress. Where was the outrage towards the previous administration that ignored our existence?

Let's address the facts: Obama deported more people than Trump. The Biden/Harris administration took initiative by constructing ICE detention facilities before President Trump took office. Let's not overlook these important details. Are they excused because of their political affiliation?

The reality is that Dreamers seek solutions, regardless of which party they come from. While Republicans may not be our saviors, it is important to acknowledge and support those who are actively working towards resolving this situation.

But you cannot sit here and criticize a party that is making efforts to include us in the conversation while protecting a party that has consistently lied to your face and done the complete opposite behind your back.

It is unfortunate that deportations are occurring, but it is important to remember that elections have consequences. The current administration was transparent about their intentions, even if we disagree with them. Wouldn't it be nice to receive the same level of honesty and follow-through from your preferred Democratic party?
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It seems like all you do is cry and whine at the idea of Republicans considering a solution to the problem.
Did you even read my post and understand my point? Clearly not.
What solution is Rand Paul actually proposing here? LOL. There is nothing except empty words. This is not a "positive step" as you describe it. It's meaningless talking from a meaningless politician that is a con and flip flopper.
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You all realize you're getting your panties wet over extremely blurry goal posts, right?


"first deport criminals" WTF does that even mean? All criminals? Some criminals? What is a criminal? When will that realistically happen so that in his head, it is satisfactory enough to begin providing benefits to non-criminal aliens?
None of what Rand Paul is saying is specific, so you can't take his hot gas seriously. You all fall for the orange felons' hot gas, so no surprise there.

This also does not take into consideration how Ds are in no way going to give Trump and Rs any win on immigration closer to midterms.

Work on your plan B instead of grasping at straws.
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Did you even read my post and understand my point? Clearly not.
What solution is Rand Paul actually proposing here? LOL. There is nothing except empty words. This is not a "positive step" as you describe it. It's meaningless talking from a meaningless politician that is a con and flip flopper.
Why are you dismissing his words as empty? He is initiating the conversation, and progress won't happen overnight. Their priority is immigration enforcement and proving to the American people that they are taking action.

I fail to see why there is so much outrage over this. Was there similar outrage when Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer said, "We can't just let (DACA) occupy the whole stage"? Isn't this what you mean by "empty words"?

It is clear that one party is committed to enforcing immigration laws while remaining open to future solutions. On the other hand, the other party is advocating for not deporting individuals, allowing more people in, and granting them status. However, they are not willing to fully support our cause as they believe it is all-encompassing.

I am genuinely trying to understand this situation. It's not a matter of "choosing a side", but rather using common sense and clear messaging.

Regarding Rand Paul being a flip-flopper, let me be clear: this is the second statement he has made in the last two months advocating for a path for "good immigrants" to stay here. I was just as surprised as anyone to see him supporting us, especially considering he lives in deep red Kentucky.
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I think many would be okay with a lifetime work permit so long as it contains a lot of the same benefits of the green card but without the citizenship after 4 years. You'll notice a lot of the phenomenon of people remaining comfortable with the green card and not applying for citizenship even though they have the year requirements.

The country needs workers and is on a collision course to have more deaths than births like Japan. A country with a notably stagnant economy. If Boomers want someone to be around to pay their Social Security and various other bennies they're gonna have to open the doors to the country. There is no way around it and anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

https://www.tiktok.com/@navigating_2...34551140797738
Strait from the mouth of a republican. The enormity of the problem of the federal debt is so large that people can no longer grasp it reliably.

Even mass deportations won't fix the problem. but but duh illegulz!!

I have more depressing videos for the few who want to grasp at the real problem. A lot of this is filler problems from the root cause.

But I don't think this audience in here can actually digest them without breaking. Most people can't. I couldn't until my 5th watch. Essentially, the cheap energy has already been extracted and the ROI is causing the energy available to not be worth the investment and then there are effects stemming from this to the ecological systems, financial systems, political systems.

Its all one big house of cards and its blood is energy.
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GOP realizes they have the Democratic senator beat when it comes to immigration especially those from red states or states Trump won. I think the Republicans have the votes to pass a massive immigration bill and they know it.

60 Votes to Pass
53 Republicans + at least 7 Democrats

Possible Dem Yes are:
1. Catherine Cortez Masto - NV - Trump won the state
2. John Fetterman - PA- supports dreamers and looks to be friendly to Trump
3. Ruben Gallego - AZ - Red State
4. Mark Kelly - AZ- Red State
5. Jon Ossoff - GA - Red state
6. Raphael Warnock - GA - Red state
7. Jacky Rosen - NV- Trump won the state
8. Gary Peters - MI- Trump won the state
9. Elissa Slotkin - MI- Trump won the state

I think these Democrats cannot look weak on immigration if they want to get re-elected and would vote with the GOP on an immigration bill that Trump supports. There could be more Dems in the shadows waiting to vote on an immigration bill.
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GOP realizes they have the Democratic senator beat when it comes to immigration especially those from red states or states Trump won. I think the Republicans have the votes to pass a massive immigration bill and they know it.

60 Votes to Pass
53 Republicans + at least 7 Democrats

Possible Dem Yes are:
1. Catherine Cortez Masto - NV - Trump won the state
2. John Fetterman - PA- supports dreamers and looks to be friendly to Trump
3. Ruben Gallego - AZ - Red State
4. Mark Kelly - AZ- Red State
5. Jon Ossoff - GA - Red state
6. Raphael Warnock - GA - Red state
7. Jacky Rosen - NV- Trump won the state
8. Gary Peters - MI- Trump won the state
9. Elissa Slotkin - MI- Trump won the state

I think these Democrats cannot look weak on immigration if they want to get re-elected and would vote with the GOP on an immigration bill that Trump supports. There could be more Dems in the shadows waiting to vote on an immigration bill.
Agree, and all of them voted for Laken Riley Act.

Gallego, Slotkin and Rosen were just elected and don't have to worry about election until 2030 and yet voted for that abomination
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