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Shocker: Most Backers of Arizona Law Support Humane Immigration Reform

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06-02-2010, 07:04 PM
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Will this be true??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-..._b_597481.html

With national polls showing majority support for Arizona’s harsh immigration law, you probably think these voters are hard liners determined to rid the country of immigrants and deny a path to legal status for all of the undocumented immigrants in the U.S., right?

Wrong.

Here’s a shocker: four out of five voters who support Arizona’s new “papers-please” law also support comprehensive immigration reform that includes a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented. On the flip side, a paltry one in five support rounding up and deporting everyone here illegally.

In a bipartisan survey sponsored by America’s Voice Education Fund and conducted by Lake Research Partners and Public Opinion Strategies of 800 registered voters nationwide, with an oversample of 300 Latino registered voters, we sought to understand the motivations and sentiments underlying the top line support for Arizona’s tough immigration law. Here is what we found:

* Three out of five voters nationwide do indeed support the Arizona law. Not surprisingly, a majority of Latino voters oppose the law.
* At the same time, four out of five of the voters who support the Arizona law also support comprehensive immigration reform with a path to legal status for undocumented immigrants. Only one out of five support deportation as the preferred policy option when asked what to do about the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country.
* In addition, strong majorities believe that illegal immigration is a national problem, prefer comprehensive reform to Arizona-style laws in their state, and want the problem of illegal immigration acted on now.

Here are the numbers. Like other polls, our latest shows that 60% of voters support the Arizona law nationwide, while 23% oppose it. No news there. But consider this finding: Fully 78% of all voters supported comprehensive immigration reform. Moreover, a whopping 84% of those who supported the Arizona law also supported comprehensive immigration reform.

This bears repeating:

More than 4 out of 5 voters who support the Arizona law support comprehensive reform with a path to citizenship. And 67% of them strongly support comprehensive immigration reform.

How can voters enthusiastically support an Arizona law aimed at expelling undocumented immigrants and even more enthusiastically support comprehensive immigration reform that brings undocumented immigrants onto a path to citizenship? What underpins these seemingly irreconcilable points of view?

At the core, voters’ support was rooted in frustration with lack of action at the federal level. When we asked voters why they supported Arizona’s law, the number one answer– by a whopping 52% – was that voters believed the federal government had failed to solve the problem. Only 28% said it was because they thought the law would reduce illegal immigration, and only 12% supported it because they thought it would reduce crime.

Furthermore, by a margin of 53% to 18% voters prefer a comprehensive national solution to a version of Arizona’s law in their own state. This is consistent with the finding that voters believe immigration is a national problem appropriately dealt with at a federal level (56%) rather than handled by individual states (22%).

The passage of the Arizona law has not lessened these voters’ appetite for immediate federal action. Three quarters of voters (76%) want action taken now, as opposed to waiting for action, and two thirds (67%) strongly desire action now.

Voters were asked to choose between three policy options: deporting immigrants in the U.S. illegally; having them stay only as temporary workers; or requiring them to undergo registration with the government, background checks, payment of taxes, learning English, and going to the back of the citizenship line. The results show 22% chose deportation, 8% chose the temporary worker solution, and the third option, the path to legal status, was by far the most popular at 64%.

Finally, we found that comprehensive reform unites rather than divides Americans, with 77% of Latinos in favor, roughly the same proportion as the electorate as a whole. In fact, comprehensive immigration reform is more popular overall than the Arizona law with every political and demographic group of voters, except for southern Republicans who are equally supportive of both.

Is our poll an outlier? Not at all. Our findings, especially with regard to support for a path to legal status for those in the U.S. illegally, are consistent with what other in-depth polls found. For example, an AP-GfK-Univision poll conducted in early May found that 59% of all voters, and 86% of Hispanic voters, favor “a legal way for illegal immigrants already in the United States to become U.S. citizens.” A CBS/New York Times poll from late April/early May found that 64% of voters favor agree that “illegal immigrants who are currently working in the U.S… should be allowed to stay in their jobs and to eventually apply for U.S. citizenship, or they should be allowed to stay in their jobs only as guest workers.” A late May NBC poll found that 65% of voters nationwide support “allowing undocumented immigrants who are already in the country to pay a fine, learn English, and go back to the line for the opportunity to become American citizens.”

Actually, these results are consistent with polling conducted over the years. In the words of Markos Moulitsas, support for comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship has been “gaudy” for some time. What may surprise many, however, is that voters can simultaneously support the Arizona law and support comprehensive immigration reform even more intensely.

So, to recap, voters – frustrated with federal government inaction— much prefer “doing something” to “doing nothing.” They increasingly want the problem of illegal immigration addressed now. They understand Arizona but want comprehensive immigration reform. Few want to simply round up and deport all immigrants in the U.S illegally.

Politically, this means that the conventional wisdom about how to interpret majority support for the Arizona law is, as usual, wrong. It means the clucking over at Fox News and chest-thumping by Arizona’s Republican leaders is misplaced. It means that voters want their leaders to recognize the frustration with illegal immigration, to step up at the national level and to replace a broken and chaotic system with a legal and orderly one now.

Instead of ducking it, Democrats should lean hard into the immigration issue, knowing that the problem-solving and pragmatism embedded in their support for comprehensive reform connects them with the broad majority of Americans who are hungry for solutions on this complex issue. It means Republicans who pander to an angry anti-immigrant base will not only continue alienating Latino voters, but will have a very difficult time expanding their support beyond that base.

But won’t a battle over immigration reform mobilize the right, renew the “amnesty” attack, and turn these initial polls around? No. Recent polling by Hart Research Associates shows that comprehensive immigration reform holds up under the toughest attacks on some of the toughest terrain. And consistent with the findings regarding Arizona support trumped by support for comprehensive immigration reform, following a simulated legislative battle over immigration Democrats who support it actually improve their overall standing with voters.

If only the meaning of the nationwide reaction to Arizona’s tough new law broke through to more in the political class. At least Chris Mathews of MSNBC’s Hardball seems to get it. Watch the video in which he concludes that voters want solutions now and yet much prefer comprehensive reform with a path to legal status. He concludes:

"...So why is it so hard to do what the American people -- most of us -- so plainly want done?"

An excellent question. If anything, support for the Arizona law proves that the American people are growing increasingly impatient with Washington’s ineptitude on immigration.
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06-02-2010, 07:14 PM
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I find it hard to understand that these polls represent the voice of the people in this country. They only asked 800 people (when there are hundreds of millions of voters). And that's supposed to be good?

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I find it hard to understand that these polls represent the voice of the people in this country. They only asked 800 people (when there are hundreds of millions of voters). And that's supposed to be good?

Just my thought
Yeah all these polls are pretty much useless.
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Can Obama read this? Now. I can see why Arizona had to implement this new law (not to say I'm fond of it).. CIR is the answer! At least we can only hope.
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06-02-2010, 08:26 PM
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these polls are about as reliable as the ones being put out by ALIPAC and FAIR
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06-02-2010, 08:30 PM
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I think most Americans don't like illegal immigrants/immigration. They support the Arizona law b/c it at least does something to send some illegal immigrants back.

Ultimately though, I think Americans support CIR as a way to fix the system so future illegal immigration is prevented and those remaining here can get right with the law since there is no other practical option.
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06-02-2010, 08:44 PM
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I find it hard to understand that these polls represent the voice of the people in this country. They only asked 800 people (when there are hundreds of millions of voters). And that's supposed to be good?

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i took statistics this year and a sample of 800 is a good representation of the population (regardless of size really as long as its more than 8000), the margin of error might most likely be around 3-5%
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illegal or legal, they are against it.. they hide under the "we want it done legally, not illegally" umbrella. but if you go to their site, they wanna limit legal immigration to as much as possible, only way to immigrate is if u have a USC spouse. and the immigration levels would go back to 250,000 a year i think.

like Bill Maher once said; wether its legal or illegal, its just another way of outsourcing of jobs that your typical American does...
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i took statistics this year and a sample of 800 is a good representation of the population (regardless of size really as long as its more than 8000), the margin of error might most likely be around 3-5%
I took statistics too. But this is just common sense to me. 800 people could not possibly represent everyone, unless you maybe went to 800 different cities, which seems unlikely.

I just don't think you can say "Americans want this" after one of these polls of maybe just one city.

And Alex, you are right. These people at Fair and Numbers USA want to reduce all immigration. They really don't want anyone coming in. It is selfish and racist. Some say they support legal immigration; not these organizations. They support no immigration (to the USA)
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most polls from both sides and all issues are around 800 or 1,000. if done right, they capture the opinion of the people. and dreamasap, this poll is also accurate in that confirms dozens and dozens of other polls that have been taken years ago and this year. most people support enforcement and all that good stuff, but are willing to things like DREAM if they think it is going to be a one-time thing.
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