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Bernie's stance on DREAMers

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02-10-2016, 02:55 PM
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After winning the New Hampshire primary, Bernie seems to be the leader of the Democratic party. I did not know whether that was good news or bad news, since I did not know what his stance on us was. I decided to do some research and I found this website:

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sander...tion/#dreamers
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02-10-2016, 03:03 PM
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Your "research" is his own website. In 2007 he voted against immigration reform. He says some BS about how it wasn't good enough but considering how bad things have turned out since and how that was a chance we won't have again for 10 years (since 2007), I don't think he gets how desperate the situation is here.

If it comes between Trump or Sanders, of course I'd support Sanders but his heart is not with immigrants and we're merely something that needs taking care of at some point.

To be honest, NOW I'm very worried. If Sanders is the candidate, the Republicans will tear him apart.
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02-10-2016, 03:24 PM
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Not like I don't like Sanders but if he goes up against any crazy republican right now, chances are they'll beat him.
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Your "research" is his own website. In 2007 he voted against immigration reform. He says some BS about how it wasn't good enough but considering how bad things have turned out since and how that was a chance we won't have again for 10 years (since 2007), I don't think he gets how desperate the situation is here.

If it comes between Trump or Sanders, of course I'd support Sanders but his heart is not with immigrants and we're merely something that needs taking care of at some point.

To be honest, NOW I'm very worried. If Sanders is the candidate, the Republicans will tear him apart.
I know it's his own website, but facts are facts. Maybe his support started after 2007. In 2014, for example, he commented that Obama should do even more for immigration using his executive powers.

In terms of Hillary vs Bernie, I am now fully supportive of Bernie. His policies and ideals are way more superior and liberal than Hillary's, not to mention his geopolitical policies. Hillary is irresponsibly offensive towards geopolitical powers such as Russia, which is dangerous for the entire world.

That's enough of my opinion though.
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Trump support has a low ceiling in terms of GOP electorate. Whatever he has now is very close to the very max that he can muster in the general election. Former supporters of Trump's rivals will stay home. GOP race is very multi pronged because people want to vote for other candidates except Trump. Those that will vote for Trump have already shown their support. It is very easy for Hilary supporters to switch to Bernie. Many former Ron Paul people will go for Bernie. Bernie already has a huge support. Whitehouse will be Berning!
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Your "research" is his own website. In 2007 he voted against immigration reform. He says some BS about how it wasn't good enough but considering how bad things have turned out since and how that was a chance we won't have again for 10 years (since 2007), I don't think he gets how desperate the situation is here.

If it comes between Trump or Sanders, of course I'd support Sanders but his heart is not with immigrants and we're merely something that needs taking care of at some point.

To be honest, NOW I'm very worried. If Sanders is the candidate, the Republicans will tear him apart.
I know people like to fetishize CIR 2007, but in all reality it was a crappy bill full of poison pill amendments once the debate on it ended.

He did vote Yea on the 2007 Dream Act.
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I've just heard him talk before and his views generally on immigration is that it hurts American workers so it's not just the 2007 thing. I could live with him seeing the light. I just don't see how he can win in a general election. So far he's been winning or doing well because of college students who are easily manipulated (especially when he promises free college without having any way of paying for it) and it's led to people going to the primaries who wouldn't normally vote in primaries. General election is a different ball game.
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I've just heard him talk before and his views generally on immigration is that it hurts American workers so it's not just the 2007 thing. I could live with him seeing the light. I just don't see how he can win in a general election. So far he's been winning or doing well because of college students who are easily manipulated (especially when he promises free college without having any way of paying for it) and it's led to people going to the primaries who wouldn't normally vote in primaries. General election is a different ball game.
Depends, as long as he can gather large crowds I'd say that he could pull his voters to vote for him in November.
You have to remember that the average voter turn out is about 57.5, if he can pull in more than will sit at home I'd say he'll have a chance.
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"I just don't see how he can win in a general election."

We have an idea of how he'd fare in the general, namely every poll has him crushing Trump, by larger margins then even Hillary, since he has very high negatives (i.e. people who dislike him - really dislike him).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ders-5565.html

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...ump-vs-sanders

Usually by margins of +5 on most news/polling agencies.
His real issue is the primaries, and breaking though the Southern "Firewall", where he is behind Hillary in Neveda by 20 points and in S.Carl for example by almost 30 points.

As for college kids being easily brainwashed, while its true they are more trusting of political institutions, they are in fact more informed about the positions of candidates, more liberal and least religious of any previous group.

http://www.journalism.org/2015/06/01...g-millennials/

The real issue is getting them to vote.

But seriously, voting day ought to be a national holiday - not something you have to take time out from work to find some school and line up for hours at. Its ridiculous.


As far as his stance on immigration, apart from what others have pointed out, he has also stated in a primary debate:

"As president, I will fight for comprehensive immigration reform that provides a roadmap to citizenship for the 11 million aspiring Americans living in this country. But I will not wait for Congress to act. I will take executive action to accomplish what Congress has failed to do and build upon President Obama’s executive orders to unite families."
Dec 30, 2015

At any rate, such are the facts as Ive been able to discover.
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02-11-2016, 02:12 AM
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Past does not matter. His plan is to get CIR passes within the first 100 days. Hillary wants to pass CIR too but did not state when.

I guess Bernie is the best choice then Hillary.

Also need majority House Dems and Senate Dems to at least 60.
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