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#61
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(Oh my FSM!) Thank you, VaeVictis. As a fan of satire, I've got to say, that's one of the funniest things I've read in a while.



Thanks again.
Oh my FSM! lmao
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^Not to discredit anything you said bawler but a lot of those scientists had to publicly proclaim a religious affiliation to appease the religious powers-that-be at the time. Look at Galileo: the minute they thought his ideas were heresy, his ideas were demonized and he was placed under house arrest until his death. Had it not been for them proclaiming their love of G-d/Jesus/etc., they wouldn't have even been taken seriously or, in a worse case scenario, they would've been called heretics and probably burned at the stake.

Not saying that that is the ONLY reason they praised Jesus or G-d, just putting out an alternative view of the sayings. Not trying to offend or anything at all (I actually thought pretty long and hard before replying), just putting my two cents in.


OH, and BTW (just so there is no feeling of bias), I'm a theistic evolutionist so I'm plainly in the middle of the debate, so I'm not trying to prove one side is right or wrong. If anything, I wish both sides would sit down together and acknowledge some of the good things of each world view and not bring anyone's viewpoint down just because they don't agree (which is extremely petty and ignorant on both sides). Of course, it most likely won't happen but we can all hope right .
Have any proof of what you are saying or are you just speculating? Galileo wasn't the only christian branded as a heretic in those days, some christian matyrs were even treated worse for preaching and practicing the true gospel and burned at the stake by the Man instituted "CHURCH" at that time.
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^Hmm...actually, you could say it's a little of both. I had to read The Belief in God and Immortality: A Psychological, Anthropological and Statistical Study, by J.H. Leuba for an anthropology paper this year and the idea is spoken about which got me to research it a little more. I was actually trying to find some links to place here but a lot of it is from nontheist organizations, and I really don't want to go there since there would obviously be quite a bit of bias in those sources.

And it seems by your statement that you have a little bit of resentment towards the Catholic Church. And I like how you mentioned "the true gospel". There's no such thing as "the truth": an evolutionist can say that the evolutionary theory is "the truth" and fundamentalist Christians can also say Genesis holds "the truth" to the creation of the world. Muslims, Jews, Ba'hai members, Hindus, and Buddhists (just to name a few) can also believe their world views as "true". I think that the arrogance of saying something like that is the reason why there is such animosity in the world today towards Christians.

And to revert back to a previous comment you made, prodigal sons/daughters don't always come back. Just a thought .
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^Hmm...actually, you could say it's a little of both. I had to read The Belief in God and Immortality: A Psychological, Anthropological and Statistical Study, by J.H. Leuba for an anthropology paper this year and the idea is spoken about which got me to research it a little more. I was actually trying to find some links to place here but a lot of it is from nontheist organizations, and I really don't want to go there since there would obviously be quite a bit of bias in those sources.

And it seems by your statement that you have a little bit of resentment towards the Catholic Church. And I like how you mentioned "the true gospel". There's no such thing as "the truth": an evolutionist can say that the evolutionary theory is "the truth" and fundamentalist Christians can also say Genesis holds "the truth" to the creation of the world. Muslims, Jews, Ba'hai members, Hindus, and Buddhists (just to name a few) can also believe their world views as "true". I think that the arrogance of saying something like that is the reason why there is such animosity in the world today towards Christians.

And to revert back to a previous comment you made, prodigal sons/daughters don't always come back. Just a thought .
LOL, it's fine by me if Jews, Muslims etc claimed their religion was the truth. I am not being arrogant when i say my religion is the truth because that's what the Bible says. The same goes for a muslim or a Jew who argues that their religion is the truth according to the Quoran or Torah. Why are you practicing Judaism if you don't believe what they are teaching as the truth? Or does Judaism teach there is another God apart from Yahweh?

Btw, i have no resentment towards the Catholic Church.
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^My own religious beliefs are my business. That's why I don't engage in discussions where I have to make a statement as powerful as "this is THE TRUTH" based on my beliefs. If someone wants to worship their coffee mug, that's 100% fine by me, as long as they don't get pushy and try to say that their religion is the only one out there.

And my particular religion does state that the righteous (regardless of religious affiliation, something that more mainstream religions do not believe) can go to Heaven in the end. It doesn't give ultimatums such as the worship of a particular G-d or religious course; a Hindu can get into Heaven just as well as a Jew or Christian can. All it really takes (with the my chosen world view anyway) is good morals, clean living, and living a purposeful life (i.e. helping others, etc.). Yeah, the Noahide laws do contain a law that says "Worship the Lord, G-d" BUT the G-d they are talking about is effectively the G-d of the Christians (the "father" of Jesus) and the G-d of the Muslims. There's actually a book out there that I can highly recommend if you want to know how other religions are looked upon in Judaism (Hindus, followers of Baha'i, Buddhists, Shintos, and others). Of course, words of exclusivity are always found in each religion (Jews believe that they are the "Chosen People", Christians believe that only believing in Christ as Lord will get you into Heaven, etc.) but certain religions/world views offer a more flexible viewpoint of G-d's final judgments and the way people should live instead of being so bold as to say "This is the ONLY way". I meant that a comment can be arrogant if taken in that context ("My religion is right and yours is wrong" type of deal).

But that's just my 2 cents. Just as a side note (and to no one in particular): why is it that every few months we have this SAME discussion? LOL.
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What's the requirement for being righteous? What is this righteousness according to your beliefs? How many good deeds do you have to do? What's the requirement for going to heaven? What happens if you do something bad? Are you still righteous then? Who is the big judge to judge that you are "righteous"? Who's going to open the gates of heaven for you? Basically, who decides all this?
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^Do you need to know an exact number? Is the only reason you are doing good deeds just for your own benefit (basically, are you being a good person just to get into Heaven? Is this a contest to you?)?

My world view states that, in the end, G-d is the only judge of your actions. No matter what, there is nothing anyone can tell you or make you do to meet His expectations because NO ONE can be 100% sure of His expectations. I don't need to live my life in regards to other people's interpretations of G-d's word: G-d will judge me when the time comes.
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Its Funny How People Base Their Belief On What They Read:

4th Graders: Forced To Read Evolution=evolutionists
4th Graders: Taken To Church= Creationists

My Point Is That People Don't See Both Sides Of The Story Before They Make A Decision, And Also Its Very Easy To Read 2 Paragraphs Of Evolution And Its Hard To Read The Whole Bible. I Am A Creationist, God Created The World And Has Provided Us With More Evidence Than We Could Imagine, We've Just Been Looking For It In All The Wrong Places Like In The Biology Books....
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Its Funny How People Base Their Belief On What They Read:

4th Graders: Forced To Read Evolution=evolutionists
4th Graders: Taken To Church= Creationists

My Point Is That People Don't See Both Sides Of The Story Before They Make A Decision, And Also Its Very Easy To Read 2 Paragraphs Of Evolution And Its Hard To Read The Whole Bible. I Am A Creationist, God Created The World And Has Provided Us With More Evidence Than We Could Imagine, We've Just Been Looking For It In All The Wrong Places Like In The Biology Books....
It's also very easy to making sweeping generalizations. Don't think that because someone doesn't believe in the bible, he or she hasn't read it. I, for instance, have read it cover to cover and still don't believe in it. Don't peg people as ignorant that don't agree with your worldview; I doubt even you've read the whole book yourself.

And where do you propose we start looking for evidence that God created the world if not in Biology books? If God cannot be explained scientifically, then he must not exist since he created the sciences, didn't he?
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Its Funny How People Base Their Belief On What They Read:

4th Graders: Forced To Read Evolution=evolutionists
4th Graders: Taken To Church= Creationists

My Point Is That People Don't See Both Sides Of The Story Before They Make A Decision, And Also Its Very Easy To Read 2 Paragraphs Of Evolution And Its Hard To Read The Whole Bible. I Am A Creationist, God Created The World And Has Provided Us With More Evidence Than We Could Imagine, We've Just Been Looking For It In All The Wrong Places Like In The Biology Books....
Is there some reason why you're capitalizing all of your words?
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