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Altering DREAM to face new Reality - Page 2

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11-06-2008, 03:46 PM
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^^ I think Ice Wood meant, expiration to file. If we're talking about expirations, I don't think it should be ten years, maybe 5. even 5 might be too long. I mean, if you're an Eligible DREAMie, why would you even wait ten years to file? or 5?
yeah that's kind of what i meant
a 12 year old currently would be 22 years old in 10 years he/she would have probably heard of it (DREAM) by the time he/she reaches High School.
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Even though we won't get grants with DREAM, there are federal loans and so technically the haters like sessions can claim we get financial aid.
My point is, whatever we concede, the Sessions, Vitter, DeMint, Inhofe will still spew whatever comes to their minds. They'll continue to attack it over and over with lies.
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DREAM is for people over the age of 12 right now. You can't put that kind of responsibility on a 12 year old. I like the expiration date on the date of entry instead of when you applied so no one is left behind just because they weren't lucky enough to hear about it.
Yeah i can see where you're coming from on that, I totally forgot that there were really young people involved who cant really take the initiative upon themselves.

Now I feel like an ass for being selfish. lol

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My point is, whatever we concede, the Sessions, Vitter, DeMint, Inhofe will still spew whatever comes to their minds. They'll continue to attack it over and over with lies.
Hopefully that won't matter tho. They can talk all they want and even vote against it. Hopefully our majority plays a good role in this passing.
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About the expiration date.
We could ask him to put that in but I don't think it really addresses any of the concerns people have with DREAM. If you guys are really passionate about then fine, I'm down. I just want to avoid adding obstacles that aren't going to help with passage.
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My point is, whatever we concede, the Sessions, Vitter, DeMint, Inhofe will still spew whatever comes to their minds. They'll continue to attack it over and over with lies.
But that takes that somewhat powerful argument away from session's side. It gives our side more ammo in persuading the leaners.
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Hopefully that won't matter tho. They can talk all they want and even vote against it. Hopefully our majority plays a good role in this passing.
Exactly! So why change anything that would be less beneficial to us? We should be trying to lobby hard for those that we can persuade to switch over. The likes of McCaskill, Landrieu, McCain, Kyl, Specter etc. instead of bringing up a debate on how to appease the bastards that will never support us.
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I Know i am gonna sound selfish but maybe limiting who can qualify based on the demand for certain jobs such as there's a extreme shortage of nurses and minority teachers especially in Math department. on top of that Information Technology jobs are in high demand as evident by Microsoft moving some of its
offices to canada where immigration laws are more relaxed. it just an idea i have and i think it would make it a bit more attractive to the republicans
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One thing I've learned is that the American people want to give us legal status but they also don't want to pay for our education. They're willing to give us what we want as long as it doesn't cost them anything.

Especially when there will be cutbacks in many other programs, the last thing we should do is appear to ask for money. Please look at the list I made, we are still a few votes short of 60. Some of you are acting as though we are set in terms of votes in the senate.
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I Know i am gonna sound selfish but maybe limiting who can qualify based on the demand for certain jobs such as there's a extreme shortage of nurses and minority teachers especially in Math department. on top of that Information Technology jobs are in high demand as evident by Microsoft moving some of its
offices to canada where immigration laws are more relaxed. it just an idea i have and i think it would make it a bit more attractive to the republicans
People like citi wouldn't qualify then. As much as he irks me, I don't want to see that.
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I Know i am gonna sound selfish but maybe limiting who can qualify based on the demand for certain jobs such as there's a extreme shortage of nurses and minority teachers especially in Math department. on top of that Information Technology jobs are in high demand as evident by Microsoft moving some of its
offices to canada where immigration laws are more relaxed. it just an idea i have and i think it would make it a bit more attractive to the republicans
That did sound a bit selfish lol, I dont think that'll help at all, None of the arguments being brought to the table have to do with majors, its "Amnesty" that everyone's worried about. What we're trying to prove here is not that this is a needed Amnesty for the country, but that this is NOT an amnesty. It is what we as human beings deserve, what is morally correct based on the foundation in which this country was built, and to continue.

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Exactly! So why change anything that would be less beneficial to us? We should be trying to lobby hard for those that we can persuade to switch over. The likes of McCaskill, Landrieu, McCain, Kyl, Specter etc. instead of bringing up a debate on how to appease the bastards that will never support us.
I couldn't agree with you more. With majority vote on our side, we should leave it alone.
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