Do you feel sorry for this dreamie? - Page 3

a comment to K-Man...
can i drop kick you?

"^uhhh, DUI is anything BUT demonstrating a good moral character."

DUI has been ruled NOT to be a crime involving moral turpitude... on the Dream act text, besides the "good moral" character, you should look at the clauses:

(B) the alien has been a person of good moral character since the time of application;

(C) the alien--

(i) is not inadmissible under paragraph (2), (3), or (6)(E) of section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)); and

(ii) is not deportable under paragraph (1)(E), (2), or (4) of section 237(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1227(a)); and

(2) Criminal and related grounds
(A) Conviction of certain crimes
(i) In general Except as provided in clause (ii), any alien convicted of, or who admits having committed, or who admits committing acts which constitute the essential elements of—
(I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense) or an attempt or conspiracy to commit such a crime, or
(II) a violation of (or a conspiracy or attempt to violate) any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance (as defined in section 802 of title 21),
is inadmissible.


a DUI is defined as a result of poor judgment by someone. DUI while license suspended/ unlicensed is a felony; plus a crime of moral turpitude. b/c it shows that the person committed a vile act.

you can look at crimes witch are considered morally wrong; here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude

so driving under the influence while at the same time u had no right to drive, is a deportable offense. if that kid drove under the influence and hes license was valid, he would still be aligable for Dream Act. law is the law, read it yourself.

also on something else you said; "If any parties involved with his DUI citation was hurt, it would've been bumped to a felony."

yes!, felonies are deportable offenses.
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as far as what he did, driving under any kind of influence is not good... that's why don't drink and drive. PERIOD.

lol! I don't know whether to laugh at the fact that you actually cited Wikipedia to look up "Moral Turpitude," or the fact that you're so sure about licensed illegal drivers to be exempt from any further ramifications.

I have a DL, let me try this out and get pulled over faded, to see if I'll qualify for Dream or not. I'm in southern cali too, maybe I can chat with some ICE officials at the county jail while I'm dodging rapists. If they deny me at the adjustment interview after Dream passes, will you give me 5 dollars for losing the bet? This is contingent to me not being deported that same night, after being arrested for the DUI / getting finger printed.


There's no reason for argument over this, the kid's a dipshit for driving drunk, and a dumbass for doing it while being illegal, and the fact that he's pleading to Durbin makes him a douche. Yes a dipshit-dumbass-douche, I'll call him Triple D.

I voted No by the way.

^^^ I don't mean to get involved in this love triangle here, but whats wrong with citing Wikipedia? Are things on there not plausible, if that's the case, then should the literary on the dream act be a monologue issue as well?

I feel bad for him, because he lost his chance, other than that -
I don't feel sorry for him because he knowingly drove in the state of intoxication; If he didn't know any better, I could re-visit my judgment

Wikipedia is a good source, but every now, and then a troll can get in there and change/move stuff around, and it can display that changed stuff - before anyone can notice.

I lump cell phone drivers up there with drunk drivers seeing how it's arguably worse than drunk driving.

http://www.hfes.org/Web/Pubpages/celldrunk.pdf


If the coat fits on any "dreamies" don't be hypocrites and claim you've never done something so stupid just because it's not illegal.

I was surprised to find this poll/thread here, the wording, the term "race card", all make us sound like the opposition. I don't understand why we would start this thread while expressing we are worried about drawing attention to his letter, seems counterproductive to me. To be honest, the "let's make an example out of him" technique rubs me the wrong way. Yes, what he did was stupid, he could have killed someone. Yet I think (I hope) we can agree that the severity of the punishment in relation to the punishment citizens receive is unfair, they come from two different realms. That is inequality, not what people do or not do, but the differences in the field of possibilities and margin of error different people are allowed.

as far as siting something from wikipedia...
alex, do you realize that almost all college professors dont allow their students to cite anything from wikipedia? Im not saying the information on the website is wrong but its an open-dictionary and the info changes everyday. But anyways... I think DUI is a big crime. Why someone would drive drunk? One drunk person can cause so many troubles like killing a whole family and etc. I hate drunk drivers. We can live without them.

Again, the big questions is not whether you feel sorry for him or not. The questions is whether the police should handle you to immigration.

I do not feel sorry for him for driving under the influence. I have never done and never will. My family carried the alcoholic gene. I only drink on special situations and only one drink.

Still, should cops handled people to immigration? If the answer is yes, then, this dreamer should be deported. If no, then the situation is unjust. As simple as that.

Of course, this is going to rub people the wrong way as it should. Even the worst criminals have rights granted by us the people, not because they deserve it but because if we stood at their level, we are not better than them and that would be shame.

It's not illegal to drive if you've had 1 to 2 beers in the same night. what are you talking about?