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Clarifying DREAM Act vs CIR - Page 3

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#21
05-04-2009, 11:30 PM
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very nicely put jollie... i respect that
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ha ha Bruinman, you don't have papers!!
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ha ha Bruinman, you don't have papers!!
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sigh another random kid with needless comment
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A lot of people that are so against illegal or even legal immigration have never personally known anybody an immigrant and had a relationship with them. Usually, that's rich people that live in their own little worlds, but unfortunately, they have a lot of say in what happens because of their money.
I believe our parents maybe should be given a chance with the CIR, but all of us should be more priority,and not because it would benefit me, but because we are the ones that grew up here and our futures depend on this. Most of our parents just want a job, not even to go to college, but they want to be able to afford to support the family. And I'm sure a lot of them just want to go home.
My parents are leaving the US within the next year. They're sick of hiding, and even though they are finally able to afford to pay their bills, this isn't their home.
They'd be happy with some type of work program, where they could come and go, just to work.
But we don't want to go back. The US has become our home and that's why the Dream Act should be priority over the CIR. Education is important and after you out of high school for 3 years as I have, it's even tougher to go back to college.

And, I don't think I'm a vicitim. I don't demand to be legal, but I do think that I should get a chance to become legal and work hard. I don't want the benefits, I just want a chance to have a better life.
yeah, exactly. we just want a chance to do the right thing because we never had one when our parents made the decisions for us and we ended up in this situation. thats why DREAM needs to pass. for us. CIR is for those who made that decision to cross the border. DREAM is for those who never got to have a say in it.
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If you want to go with absolute "law is the law" arguement then the Dream Act would be an amnesty. According to immigration law once you hit 18 you are an ADULT and have 180 days to leave or you will receive the 10 year ban.

Many of us know that we are breaking the law, by being ADULTS in this country illegally.
significant percentage of DREAM act beneficiaries are under 18 who is looking to go to college. and i specifically pointed out that in our case, speaking for those over 18, simply going back after spending our entire childhood here would cause extreme psychosocial suffering that is unjust considering we came here when we were toddlers and babies, everything we know is here, we speak the english language and have perfectly assimilated, and we did not knowingly, purposely, willfully commit the crime to be here in the first place. this is all in contrast to most CIR beneficiaries.

if you cant comprehend the distinction you are pretty much in line with most anti-DREAM ACT advocates who are dead set on labeling all of us the same "illegals" and that is precisely who we need to get the messege across to.
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ummm who is arguing the "law is a law" argument?

....nobody, that's who.

And I can tell you that I had on idea that law existed, or I would have left. I thought I was screwed either way. I found out after I was nearly 19, so I figured, oh well.
My younger brother is 16 right now and is still in high school. But he graduates next year, and you better believe that he is leaving the US before he turns 18.
So you see, there are "many of us" who would have left if we knew of that law.
And if it made Americans feel better about this whole "amnesty" BS, I'd willingly pay a fine to be able to stay here. I'd be willing to pay back all the "poor" taxpayers, and that includes my parents, for all the money "they" invested in my K-12 education. I'm not asking for amnesty. I just want a fucking chance.
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exactly. we need to emphasize that DREAM act is about "saving the children" perse, unlike CIR, which is about "forgiving the lawbreakers". thats why, in my opinion, we need to separate the two issues and distance ourselves from CIR because they are fundamentally different.
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Look dude let me just say, I'm not any type of ant-dream act creep. Just because I bring up a point does not mean I think it's right.

with that said.
Your argument for the most part holds no merit.

Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

I never argued that people would not leave if they knew the law. I simply said if we wanted to go 100% by whats written as law. That those of us who are of age are now responsible for being in the country illegally.

Also look at how I said "many of us" and not "all"

I am not some bum fuck, I know exactly what the DREAM ACT is, who it benefits, and why it should be supported.

lol, ok girly. =)
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Whoa. Not a lot of love for Bruinman, except for fellow downer Mugi.

Look Bruinman, If it were up to us, I'm sure 99% of the people here would rather have the DA passed on its own. We know the difference between the two. We know we didn't commit any offense. We know the urgency of the DA. We know many of our parents already have green cards. Blah, blah blah.

The thing is that Durbin has already made up his mind as to what the best way to pass the DA is: 1) Attach it to the CIR bill, work for it to pass, hope it does. 2) If it doesn't, introduce it as a stand-alone bill, bring out blown-up pictures of innocent-looking dreamies on the Senate floor, say "I wish I could quit you" at the end of the speech. 3) Party with us in Vegas.

Personally, I will support whatever bill the DA is attached to. Torture-is-OK-because-President-Bush-said-so Act? Sure; Jeff Sessions' national holiday? Why not; Take-Keith-off-the-air bill? No, that's pushing it too far.

Granted, we could all sit here and cry over Durbin's decision, or we could seek comfort in the ostensible silver lining: As it stands now, there's more support for CIR than for the DA.

That's right, people like Graham, Gregg, Specter, McCain, Kyl, and apparently now even Cornyn have said that they would NOT support any piecemeal legislation (some have specifically cited the DA), but that they're very much onboard when it comes to "comprehensive" immigration reform. Conversely, there are no senators who would support the DA, but not CIR.

If you find a way to persuade Durbin to pass the DA as a stand-alone bill, by all means do that, but you'll have to come up with a much more powerful argument than the ones above, since I'm sure he's heard those many times before.
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Whoa. Not a lot of love for Bruinman, except for fellow downer Mugi.

Look Bruinman, If it were up to us, I'm sure 99% of the people here would rather have the DA introduced on its own. We know the difference between the two. We know we didn't commit any offense. We know the urgency of the DA. We know many of our parents already have green cards. Blah, blah blah.

The thing is that Durbin has already made up his mind as to what the best way to pass the DA is: 1) Attach it to the CIR bill, work for it to pass, hope it does. 2) If it doesn't, introduce it as a stand-alone bill, bring out blown-up pictures of innocent-looking dreamies on the Senate floor, say "I wish I could quit you" at the end of the speech. 3) Party with us in Vegas.

Personally, I will support whatever bill the DA is attached to. Torture-is-OK-because-President-Bush-said-so Act? Sure; Jeff Sessions' national holiday? Why not; Take-Keith-off-the-air bill? No, that's pushing it too far.

Granted, we could all sit here and cry over Durbin's decision, or we could seek comfort in the ostensible silver lining: As it stands now, there's more support for CIR than for the DA.

That's right, people like Graham, Gregg, Specter, McCain, Kyl, and apparently now even Cornyn have said that they would NOT support any piecemeal legislation (some have specifically cited the DA), but that they're very much onboard when it comes to "comprehensive" immigration reform. Conversely, there are no senators who would support the DA, but not CIR.

If you find a way to persuade Durbin to introduce the DA as a stand-alone bill, by all means do that, but you'll have to come up with a much more powerful argument than the ones above, since I'm sure he's heard those many times before.
Where have you been?? DA has already been reintroduced by Durbin. Way before any sort of CIR has been introduced, kinda for it to work as a stepping stone.

I'm all for DA as a standalone and I'm also all for CIR, but the minute that we start separating ourselves from CIR is when we start having a holier-than-thou attitude towards CIR beneficiaries, we are all in this struggle together, whether we chose it or not the opposition will still look at us like some damned illegals
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