Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year - Page 4

Come on guys, once AGAIN, all it took is one news article with the usual media speculations to bring some of you down, even induce schetzo in some cases (Look at Kenny's post)... Aren't we better than this? Just think about it for a second, for every article saying there won't be an immigration reform, there are 10 others saying it will happen this year.

Learn to think critically and not give into journalists' rhetorics. The fight isn't over until the legislative calendar stops with Durbin saying "Sorry we tried."

i am so pissed when i read this kind of news, because they are not truth. but after that i am going to peace! forgive me K-MAN, LOL

thank you CIR_DREAM2009 and evil monkey. i guess it makes everyone's day when we talk positive

Thanks for pointing this out K-Man we need to chill out.

I am not in favor or CIR being attached with DA. I am in favor of Dream becoming a reality this year, no matter how. Still, every time a member makes that statement to prove their point, they use a vs language or better than thou attitude that hurts DA. You complain about the damn flags on the parade, well, I think the same about Dreamers that go around an make it harder for us to convince people and groups to work for Dream. And yes, pro-DA is pro-CIR for them.

As for the powerless thing, a group of field workers rented a bus and went to lobby to back then president Bush about school funding for their kids. They didn't speak English, no DL, no high school diploma, they did more than us with much less. btw, they got their money. I am 28, and the limits of the undocumented life are clear to me after 15 years of the life. Also, after listening to people cry for their many problems, I can distinguish the different between self-pity and self-compassion.

Honestly, some members need to stop the self-pity thing. When someone else does a mistake we feel entitled to ask for the maximum punishment or minimized their pain. Then why is it wrong for me to call lazy, the people who should do something about their own situation? I am not Jesus. There is not a leave your family and earthly possessions clause. I am not even asking you to do what I think it should be done. Still, everyone knows in their brains, if they are doing what they can do for the passage of DA.

What a person can do is very limited. A small group of people can do more than one. A big group of people can do much more, and if other groups of people join them, then anything is possible. Still, here, it seems that many of you think that because you have a bachelor, the sea should separate its waters for you to walk across. I am just stating that it is not the case.

Again, for the record, I am in favor of any type of calculation that makes DA possible this year. After that, I guess I am with you that I am not going to support CIR or DA or anything because I am going to deport myself back to Mexico. I love California and I care deeply for you guys but I am also in love with home equity and making money for a living. I am doing everything in my power to pass DA but if it is not enough, then it is time to say goodbye.

as far as i know, there is still hope. i doubt CIR will pass this year and if DA is attatched to it then some of us our fu#ked... A lot of ppl are saying they wont do DA as a stand alone bill, why? is it cause Mr. President doesnt want things done in pieces? theres no reason to talk about this i mean all we can do is keep hopeing, and fighting for CIR/DA. i say around SEPT. or OCT. we're going to know whats gonna happen with all this shit... remember, dont believe everything you read!

I think this tireless debate keeps coming up, because of the obvious disagreement on the level of influence we have as a campaign group.

There are extremists at both spectrums, some of us here think we have 90 ~ 100% influence on the legislative calendar, whereas others think 10 ~ 20%. Realistically, it's probably somewhere in the middle (yes that's pretty vague.)

We fight for the cause because that's all we can do (and should, to the best of our abilities), not because it's entirely in our hands, as some members see it. There's a point where self importance takes over and turns into illusion. I disagree with the notion of "not getting what we wanted because we were lazy," when in fact it'd be more like "not getting what we wanted because the congressmen decided that would be the case." That's regardless of how much campaigning we did.


I'm not putting down anyone's efforts, because I know that it matters, and it does make a difference. When I make a call, I know it tallies up at the senator's office as a positive change, or the media attention some of you guys can manage is amazing.

On that note, I'm just saying we should be careful how we address our influence. The senators are the ONLY people who have direct outcome on the legislation (they're the ones who vote, not us,) and we as a group have to do our parts being an indirect influence. It'd be naive to think that if Dream fails this year, we're to blame for not being active enough, or in the case of it passing, overly exaggerating our efforts as the sole reason for its success - which is the worse of the two in my opinion.


"Bigger & Better" pro-organizations than Dream students have been pushing for immigration reforms for almost a decade now, since Dream was first introduced, and if it happens this year, it'll most likely be due to the political climate change (again, which we have an indirect effect on.)

Not necessarily. Think of it this way. If we read an article that is positive , we are going to be more excited and try more and more for it to get passed. We are going to be thinking, we are almost there and our moral will go up and our efforts will become much more efficient.
If it is a bad article, a lot of people will lose hope and the moral goes down and thus our efforts become less efficient.

It is the same with negative articles. The opposition would feel the same as us.


So conclusion:

we should try our best and wait for the results. Talking about if it will happen or will not happen is not going to make it happen.

i dont understand how some people refuse to see things as they are. obama has said numerous times that energy and health care reform will have priority over immigration whatsoever. they may be initializing intro talks on immigration reform, but they are not gonna push it full throttle this year, not unless they accomplish energy and healthcare in 3 months, which is highly unlikely.

what we do need is to have congress pass border enforcement and baby step approach to legalizing millions....meaning DA has to come up along with may be AGjobs as standalone

I don't want to get into an argument, but I do want to clarify four points.

1. I wasn't looking for pity, nor do I want people to feel pity for us. I understand politics very well, and pity wont take you very far. Life is tough. As Rep.Ted Poe would say, "That is just the way it is."

2. I thought your lazy comment was a slap in the face to the people working hard for this cause. If the DA passes with CIR, it wouldn't because DA advocates were lazy, but because congress saw that the comprehensive route was doable and went for it.

3. I don't know why you would want us to do what those did field workers. Many brave dreamers have already testified about their situation in Congress. In the end it's all about politics.

4. I don't think having a college degree makes one more "deserving" for legalization over another. Even if one were more deserving, I wouldn't fall into that category since I am still an undergraduate.


Edit: Just saw what K-man posted, and I would agree 100% with it.