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El 'proyecto 279' - from univision

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El 'proyecto 279'
La reforma migratoria no está muerta


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Se necesitan 279 firmas para que la reforma sea Ley: 218 representantes, 60 senadores y el presidente.
Por Jorge Ramos Avalos, Univision.com

8 de Junio de 2009

Todo a favor

Una cuestión de firmas


Reforma Migratoria



Hay fuertes señales de vida. La reforma migratoria no está muerta. La semana pasada se reunieron en Washington más de 700 congresistas y líderes de organizaciones civiles, iglesias, sindicatos y empresas para lanzar una campaña a nivel nacional que permita la legalización de millones de indocumentados.


Todo a favor

Y el próximo miércoles 17 de junio, en la Casa Blanca, el presidente Barack Obama se reunirá con un pequeño grupo de republicanos y demócratas para planear los pasos concretos que culminen con una reforma migratoria este año.

Sí, este año. Si no hay reforma migratoria este año –como lo prometió Barack Obama en su campaña- el próximo sería casi imposible. En el 2010 habrá elecciones congresionales y los políticos estarán más interesados en la reelección que en los indocumentados (que no votan).

En el 2011 es muy posible que la popularidad del presidente Obama vaya cayendo y que se haya acabado casi todo su capital político. Es normal. Le ha pasado a casi todos los presidentes, incluyendo a Ronald Reagan. Y en el 2012 estaremos en plena campaña presidencial y ese año no pasa nada.

Así que el año de la reforma migratoria es este 2009 o a principios del otro. Pero un largo retraso significaría, casi seguro, su muerte. Y significaría, también, que crecería el problema y el número de indocumentados.

Este año se dan tres condiciones que hace mucho tiempo no coincidían y que, quizás, no se vuelvan a repetir: uno, un presidente sumamente popular; dos, un partido político (el Demócrata) controlando el congreso y la Casa Blanca: y tres, un presidente que prometió una reforma migratoria en su primer año de gobierno. Es la “tormenta perfecta”.

Uno de los mejores argumentos a favor de legalizar a la mayoría de los 12 millones de indocumentados que hay en el país es que la alternativa no existe. Es decir, no me puedo imaginar los videos por televisión y en la internet de agentes federales y policías deteniendo, arrestando, esposando y deportando en camiones y aviones a millones de niños, mujeres y trabajadores indocumentados a sus países de origen.

Estados Unidos no es un país que se atrevería a cometer semejante atropello. Entonces lo único que nos queda es arreglar lo que hoy no funcionar. Y el sistema de migración de Estados Unidos no funciona.

Estados Unidos no controla sus fronteras, ni trata con compasión a los indocumentados. Las redadas y la separación de familias no es la manera correcta de arreglar un problema que tiene su origen en las enormes diferencias de sueldo entre Estados Unidos y América Latina.

Y para cambiar las cosas se necesita el apoyo de 279 personas. Nada más y nada menos. Llamémosle el Proyecto 279.

Para que haya una reforma migratoria se necesita el voto de 218 miembros de la Cámara de Representantes, de 60 senadores y la firma del presidente Obama. Y hasta el momento lo único seguro es la firma presidencial.

La congresista de Nueva York, Nydia Velázquez, me dijo hace poco que ella calculaba que ya tenían 210 votos en la Cámara de Representantes. Hay demócratas que se rehúsan a votar por una reforma migratoria pero hay republicanos que lo están considerando. Se necesitan 8 votos más.

En el senado la cosa también está complicada. El ex senador y actual Secretario del Interior, Ken Salazar, me recordó que la última batalla por una reforma migratoria se perdió en el Senado a mediados del 2007. Y eso podría repetirse.

Aunque actualmente hay 59 Demócratas en el Senado, no todos votarían por una legalización de indocumentados. Así que se necesita urgentemente la ayuda del senador John McCain –quien propuso en el 2005 una reforma migratoria- y de otros Republicanos interesados en cambiar el sistema (y, de paso, en recuperar los votos del creciente electorado hispano). Sin Republicanos no hay reforma. Punto.

El Secretario Salazar cree que el debate en el congreso podría darse a finales de este año y me aseguró que, basado en sus conversaciones con el presidente Obama, él sí está comprometido en cumplir su promesa.

Sin embargo, el congresista de Illinois, Luis Gutierrez, -quien ha realizado una enorme gira en todo el país en busca de apoyo a la reforma migratoria- me dijo que eso podría ser demasiado tarde y que a él le gustaría ver el inicio del debate a finales del verano, a más tardar.

Al final de cuentas de lo que se trata es, simplemente, de conseguir el apoyo de 279 personas. Eso es todo. Pero hay veces en que lo más sencillo es, también, lo más difícil de lograr.

http://www.univision.com/content/con...2052&pagenum=2
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I found this the most interesting--

Sí, este año. Si no hay reforma migratoria este año –como lo prometió Barack Obama en su campaña- el próximo sería casi imposible. En el 2010 habrá elecciones congresionales y los políticos estarán más interesados en la reelección que en los indocumentados (que no votan).

En el 2011 es muy posible que la popularidad del presidente Obama vaya cayendo y que se haya acabado casi todo su capital político. Es normal. Le ha pasado a casi todos los presidentes, incluyendo a Ronald Reagan. Y en el 2012 estaremos en plena campaña presidencial y ese año no pasa nada.

Así que el año de la reforma migratoria es este 2009 o a principios del otro. Pero un largo retraso significaría, casi seguro, su muerte. Y significaría, también, que crecería el problema y el número de indocumentados.

Este año se dan tres condiciones que hace mucho tiempo no coincidían y que, quizás, no se vuelvan a repetir: uno, un presidente sumamente popular; dos, un partido político (el Demócrata) controlando el congreso y la Casa Blanca: y tres, un presidente que prometió una reforma migratoria en su primer año de gobierno. Es la “tormenta perfecta”.


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Yes, this year. If no immigration reform this year as he promised in his campaign Barack Obama, the next would be almost impossible. In the 2010 congressional elections and politicians are more interested in re-election in which illegal immigrants (who do not vote).

In 2011 it is quite possible that the popularity of President Obama is going to fall and finished most of his political capital. It's normal. He has spent almost all presidents, including Ronald Reagan. And in 2012 we will be in full presidential campaign that year and nothing happens.

So the year of immigration reform is this 2009 or early next. But a long delay would mean, almost certain death. And mean, too, that the problem would grow and the number of aliens.

This year there are three conditions that long ago and did not coincide, which may not happen again: one, an extremely popular president, two, one political party (Democrat) controlling Congress and the White House: and three, a president who promised immigration reform in his first year in office. It is the "perfect storm."
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damn..
i wish i know how to read spanish.
or whatever that is..

damn i juss read your translation. so barack better pass that shit this year. i still have hope
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My humble translation.

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There are strong signs of life; immigration reform is not dead. Last week more than 700 congressional members, civil rights organization leaders, churches, (?) and businesses came together in Washington to launch a nationwide campaign that would legalize twelve million undocumented people.

All in favor.

On Wednesday, July 17, in the White house, President Barack Obama will unite a small group of Republicans and Democrats to plan out concrete steps that will lead to an immigration reform.

Yes, this year. If there's not immigration reform this year- like Barack Obama promised during his campaign- next year will be nearly impossible. Through out 2010 there will be congressional elections and politicians will be more interested in re-election than in undocumented people (who don't vote).

In 2011 it's very possible for Obama's popularity to decline and for his political capital(?) to be almost done. It's normal. It's happened to almost all the presidents, including Ronald Reagan. In 2012 we'll be in full presidential campaigns, and that year, nothing will happen.

Therefore, immigration reform has to happen this year or at the beggining of the next. But a long wait means, most likely, it's death. And it will mean, as well, that the number of problems and number of undocumented people will rise.

This year, three imporant key factors have come into play. Key factors which haven't happened in a while, and problably won't again for quite sometime: one, an extremely popular president; two, the democratic party controlling Congress and the White House; and three, a president who promised immigration reform in his first year as a president. It's, "The Perfect Storm."

One of the best arguements in the immigration reform debates is that there is no other alternative for the problem. You just can't imagine watching the news, be it on television or on the internet, of federal agents and police officers arresting, cuffing, and deporting millions of children, women and workers back and simply sending them back to their country of origin.

The United Sates, however, is not capable of such actions. Therefore, the only thing to do is fix what is broken, and the immigration system of the U.S. does not work.

The U.S. doest not control their borders, or treat the undocumented with compassion. Raids and the seperation of families is not the way to fix the problem, whose origins arise from the difference of income between the U.S. and Latin America.

And to change things, the support of 279 people is needed, no more no less. We shall call it "Project 279."

In order for there to be an immigration reform, the vote of 218 members from the House of Representatives, 60 senators and the president's signature, is needed.

Nydia Velazques, congress member from N.Y. told me a while back they calculated having 210 votes already in the House of Representatives. There are Democrats who refuse to vote for an immigration reform, but there are also Republicans who are considering it. 8 more votes are needed.

In the Senate, the situation is also complicated. Ex-senator and current Secretary of Interior, Ken Salazar, reminded me of the last debate for immigration reform. Which got lost in the Senate in mid 2007, and the story could repeat itself.

Eventhough there are 59 Democrats in the Senate, not all of them would vote for an immigration reform. It's for that sole reason that John McCain's help is vital- He proposed an immigration reform in 2005- and other Republicans who are interested in changing the system (while simultaneously recovering the lost votes from Hispanic voters). Without Republicans, there is no reform, period.

Salazar believes the debate could happen near the end of this year, and assured me that based on his conversations with President Obama, the president is commited to his word.

However, congressional member from Illinois, Luis Gutierrez- who has scoured the nation in support for immigration reform- told me end of the year debates might be too late. He would like to see the debate happen near the end of the summer.

What it all comes down to in the end is getting the support of 279 people, that is all. Yet there are times when things are easier said than done.
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so where does the extra point come from?

218+60 = 278. should be called project 278 =)

or if some one has an explanation please explain lol.
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Google's translation is hilarious. Reminds me of my papers when I was a beginning ESL student.
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so where does the extra point come from?

218+60 = 278. should be called project 278 =)

or if some one has an explanation please explain lol.

the extra comes Obama's signature
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yes sir from Obama

"To achieve that success, campaign leaders are squarely focused on building popular pressure to generate the 279 key "votes" needed to enact reform: 218 in the House of Representatives, 60 in the Senate, and one signature of the President. In addition to the national events held last week, over 700 advocates from more than 35 states converged on Washington D.C. to participate in meetings, trainings, and town halls"


http://us.oneworld.net/article/36412...gration-reform
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the extra comes Obama's signature
ahh good one. thanks.


boy am i glad you did not answer with the forum-usual, "go search for it"
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