White House Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in ’09 - Page 2

The point is they don't really like to bring up DA individually

Why the hell wouldn't they want to bring up Dream alone.

I don't think that ever in the history of this country has it been an ALL-or NOTHING thing. All the stuff that exist in the present day took time to establish itself. (Voting rights for everyone, civil liberties and rights for African Americans, heck even the foundation of this country was done step by step)

I know this sounds, and to a certain extent it is, selfish. But test the waters with DREAM. If congress and senators can not find a way to help legalize educated people with degrees and ambitions to succeed in this country, then how in the world are they going to figure out a way to legalize 12+ million people!

Like I said in another thread, if this country does not want to help us, then we have no choice but to go somewhere else.

because they don't have time to bring it along. CIR will bring up on late this year. if it fail, then there is no time to bring any small piece up to the congress. and then next year is election year, so i don't think anything will bring up after the election. The best time to bring up CIR is this year or 2012

because they are more in need of 12 million unskilled workers than college graduates...
people know about 12 million+ illegal people living in US, but only handful know about dreamies.
we need more champions like Senator Durbin, i thought obama was one, but obviously he just used us..

Also, many proponents of the CIR bill is also counting on the bipartisan support of the Dream Act to stir up support for CIR. It's like a candy tossed in to sweeten the deal of a very very bitter and dark piece of **** tarpit of a debate. It's pretty much being held hostage by the larger comprehensive issue. There's no way the senators are gonna just let Dream Act stand alone...that would be strategic suicide, eliminating one of the few items that summons bipartisan support.

I don't know. Blame politics. Blame the people who keep pushing for CIR with some misguided hope. Blame the people who don't seem to remember what happened a few years ago.

I don't understand why people let the DA get absorbed into the CIR. At the beginning of the year it seemed the dream act may have been able to come up on as a standalone, but CIR supporters saw the momentum of the dream act and used it as a way to build support for CIR. And here we are.

I guess we have to wait for CIR to fail or Sen. Durbin to do something before there is movement on the DA.

I'll say this, start planning to spend more time in school/college until something happens, because from the way things look, we may be in this situation for a while. This is coming from something who was pretty optimistic about movement of some kind of immigration reform this year.

I just don't have too much faith in the democrats from what I have seen this year.

But, I suppose June 25 is still important.

Gibbs does not make any decisions. He is not a Congress member.

Obama wants it, he will sign the bill when it gets to the table from the Congress.

Wow, so many people leaving.

Keep us posted, I guess.

Since 2001, about 65K+ High School students have graduated each year with limited or no prospects for their futures. That's over half a million disenfranchised individuals. Where will this mess lead us to? anywho,
I'm reading this book about the decline of the Roman Empire and I found this quote to be an appropriate commentary to today's white house CIR press statements. Sooner or later congress's inaction will catch up to it.

"If Rome had not engulfed so many men of alien blood in so brief a time, if she had passed all these newcomers through her schools instead of her slums, if she had treated them as men with a hundred potential excellences, if she had occasionally closed her gates to let assimilation catch up with infiltration, she might have gained new racial and literary vitality from the infusion, and might have remained a Roman Rome, the voice and citadel of the West."

-William Durant

If they were smart, they would push for the DA by itself. It would redeem Obama and/or the Republican party in the eyes of the Hispanic community which everyone was saying how it might have swayed the last election. The CIR is much more divisive and polarizing and passing the DA might actually get activists a bit of the Dems back to focus on the 2010 elections. But then again, politicians aren't very smart.