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CA Deficit may trigger anti-illegal immigration ballot measure

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07-10-2009, 12:40 AM
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As California lawmakers struggle with a budget gap now grown to $26.3 billion, one of the hottest topics for many taxpayers is the cost to the state of illegal immigrants.

The question of whether taxpayers should provide services to illegal residents became a major political issue in California's last deep recession, culminating in the ballot fight over Proposition 187 in 1994. That history could repeat itself in the current downturn, as activists opposed to illegal immigration have launched a campaign for an initiative that would, among other things, cut off welfare payments to the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants. Those children are eligible for welfare benefits because they are U.S. citizens.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,3398621.story
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Wasn't prop 187 rescinded?

I don't know if it was ruled unconstitutional because a law would have to go through an appellate court to to determine constitutionality.
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Have fun trying to pass that.
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http://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=12081

Here is a link to a thread which has two videos on how immigration affects the economy. The most important conclusion is that economic data has no policy implication.
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Ignorance is bliss. We need CIR, and all that spending from former undocumentees will jolt this economy back on track.!!
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Ignorance is bliss. We need CIR, and all that spending from former undocumentees will jolt this economy back on track.!!
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The problem is not that people are not spending, is that the politicians spend beyond their means. Although CIR is going to boost the economy, within a few years we will be in deficit because politicians will just spend the new found money recklessly.
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The problem is not that people are not spending, is that the politicians spend beyond their means. Although CIR is going to boost the economy, within a few years we will be in deficit because politicians will just spend the new found money recklessly.
I agree with this. We're always spending today what we plan to earn tomorrow. Until we get out of this philosophy we will continue to be slaves.
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I really should bite my tongue cause a lot of people will bite my head off for saying this. First let me say that I am all for CIR, Dream act, amnesty, ect. However, the reality is that, at least based on economics, CIR will not necessarily stimulate the economy. As a matter of fact, the net gains from CIR should be zero. This is a good thing because it shows that immigration is not an economic burden. However, CIR will provide a qualitative gain that has no economic measure. That is, the qualitative gains are infinite.

Overall, economics does not have any kind of immigration policy implication until we begin to filter the data through a set of values: I can elaborate on this if anyone wants an explanation.

Now as far as the state of the economy goes, the economy will get better. This recession is just part of the business cycle. The trough has been magnified by some deteriorating factors in the overall system. As a matter of fact, the current events are a sign that the system needs some fixing. But, it does not mean that we have reached the end of the world.

Note: If you are offended about what I said about CIR, wait to you cool off, look at some numbers and elaborate on your argument. If you can't do that, then just ignore my post and make of it what you will.
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