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#11
08-01-2009, 07:28 PM
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If you go to your country in South America, you'll have to pay $4000 per semester - but it's like paying $40,000 per semester because it's 10 times harder to make money there than in the US.


Just get a cheaper college in the US that you can afford. A Harvard diploma or a community college diploma - it doesn't really matters. It's the same degree and if you're smart you will take your MBA from a community college and be a millionaire. You don't need a MBA from Harvard or Stanford to succeed.

This $4000 per semester college in your home country, it's maybe in the same level of a community college in the US. In some countries, they top universities are not much better than the US community colleges.


You got what you got. Play your cards right, Bill Gates was kicked out of college and he succeed. Most millionaires didn't went to top private schools.


It's like taking a girl to a dinner in McDonald's and taking a girl to a dinner in a top French restaurant. If you play your cards right you could get laid after buying her a $5 meal, the same as if you bought her a $150 meal in a fancy restaurant. The girl is your employer, McDonald's is the community college and the fancy restaurant is the IVY League college.


If you are not from Mexico, you probably entered the US under a valid visa and overstay. So if you get married you will get a green card within a few months. Why not getting married then? You might meet someone to marry in a community college.
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If possible try to move to a state that is friendly to undocumented students. In this way, you will be able to attend a state school with two to three grand a quarter (or semester). You might have to wait a year before they allow you to pay instate tuition, but it is better than having to move back to your country of origin and risk the possibility of getting your documentation some day.
Well my parents will be staying if they pass something for immigration then they'll most likely be benefited.

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In all honesty man, you need to do more research before even considering going back to your country of origin. I would really look into private schools. There are tons of private schools all over the US. You say that you are a cowboy when it comes to school so you might be able to get a full ride from a private school. If I were you, I would dedicate at least one whole month into researching all of the possibilities. You really owe it to yourself. Going back to your birth place is a big decision. It is not like you are just moving to a neighboring city or states. Whatever your decision, I wish you the best of luck.
I've done my research. I've spent about a year looking at different universities and colleges, not only that but I've especially looked into grants that have been given to undocumented students and it seems that most people can get into college, they just can't afford to pay it.

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again, read that post i mentioned to you about. minnesota schools do not have an admissions policy for undocumented students. i called this week and they stated they offer a flat tuition rate to ALL students (residents, nonresidents, international, uncumented)... so, even if you went to high school in a diff state... you are still eligible.
I had no idea I will look into it. But I believe they won't allow me.

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The best school in my country is a staggering 2k per year, and it is actually a very good school (my sis. graduated from there).
Yeah the schools there teach a lot. If they had the same amount of effort and good teachers here in the US, they could easily be an ivy league school.

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Also look into the minessota (I guess thats where you are from) Flat rate deal.
No, I'm not from minessota not even close =/

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It's like taking a girl to a dinner in McDonald's and taking a girl to a dinner in a top French restaurant. If you play your cards right you could get laid after buying her a $5 meal, the same as if you bought her a $150 meal in a fancy restaurant.
Damn this is the best example ever.

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So if you get married you will get a green card within a few months. Why not getting married then? You might meet someone to marry in a community college.
It's kind of weird to look for girls just for the sole purpose of marriage.
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08-01-2009, 07:56 PM
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Well my parents will be staying if they pass something for immigration then they'll most likely be benefited.


I've done my research. I've spent about a year looking at different universities and colleges, not only that but I've especially looked into grants that have been given to undocumented students and it seems that most people can get into college, they just can't afford to pay it.


I had no idea I will look into it. But I believe they won't allow me.


Yeah the schools there teach a lot. If they had the same amount of effort and good teachers here in the US, they could easily be an ivy league school.


No, I'm not from minessota not even close =/


Damn this is the best example ever.


It's kind of weird to look for girls just for the sole purpose of marriage.
While you seem like you are a hard worker and someone quite motivated, you seem a bit disorganized and misinformed. Yes, you can get into a good university and even afford it. Many of us have managed to get into decent schools. Some of us have full rides. Others have scholarships. How many scholarships have you applied for? How many private schools have you applied to? How many have you contacted about getting financial assistance?

I implore you to sit down, take a deep breath and carefully do a list of the pros and cons of leaving. If you did not know about the flat rate tuition in Minnesota, chances are that you have not done enough research; enough in the sense of quality research as appose to temporal research. Now you say that your family in your country of origin will help you out with school right? Well, ask if they can send you the money so that you can study here as well.

There are two major costs to leaving, which I think will out weight many of the benefits. For better or worse, most degrees in the US are viewed with an unbelievable amount of prestige. So, it would be to your advantage to study in the US. Moreover, leaving might disqualify you from getting your documentation in the future.

Well, I guess that is all I really have to say on the matter. Once again, good luck with your endeavor.
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08-01-2009, 08:43 PM
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While you seem like you are a hard worker and someone quite motivated, you seem a bit disorganized and misinformed. Yes, you can get into a good university and even afford it. Many of us have managed to get into decent schools. Some of us have full rides. Others have scholarships. How many scholarships have you applied for? How many private schools have you applied to? How many have you contacted about getting financial assistance?

I implore you to sit down, take a deep breath and carefully do a list of the pros and cons of leaving. If you did not know about the flat rate tuition in Minnesota, chances are that you have not done enough research; enough in the sense of quality research as appose to temporal research. Now you say that your family in your country of origin will help you out with school right? Well, ask if they can send you the money so that you can study here as well.

There are two major costs to leaving, which I think will out weight many of the benefits. For better or worse, most degrees in the US are viewed with an unbelievable amount of prestige. So, it would be to your advantage to study in the US. Moreover, leaving might disqualify you from getting your documentation in the future.

Well, I guess that is all I really have to say on the matter. Once again, good luck with your endeavor.
I think you are a bit confused, the offer to pay for college was given to me, and it was actually intended to bring me back to their country because in their eyes there was really no future for me here. I actually considered it for some time, and had even looked into schools down there, but that was when I thought attending a school in the US or even getting accepted for that matter was highly unlikely.

In any case, in my sort of economist mind-set at the time, the cost of leaving the states was higher then the cost of staying and paying for college, with respect to benefits and sholarly advantages that had a much higher value here then in my country of origin. I doubt I would easily find a school with a multimillion dollar nanotechnology lab in my country of origin.
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08-02-2009, 12:26 AM
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Believe me, it's better to find a girl to marry for the sole of green card then go back to a third world South American country where you won't have much opportunities and a hard time working and building a life.

Do you know how many South Americans just dream about getting a tourist or a student visa so they could immigrate illegally to the US (but enter legally, so they could adjust their status one day)? You have no idea. If you're going back to to South America you'll regret it and you'll never be able to come back to the US.


You have your brain, use it, even for a community college. Meet a nice girl and marry her if you want a green card, you will divorce eventually like everybody else, but the marriage would have to last only 3 years. Don't put all your eggs in your DREAM ACT basket, there are quicker ways that will work for sure, in 100%, without trusting some idiot in D.C. to pass a law.

Or find a friend that is a US citizen and would like to marry you and in return you will give her something else. I won't speak about illegal things here, but be creative.

In the end of the day, an MBA is an MBA. Look at it like shopping, if you are rich - you can buy an expensive degree (IVY League) and if you're not, you buy a cheaper degree (community college) and work your way from there.


You could always transfer to a private college, when the Dream ACT passes or when you'll marry a US citizen and things will get easier for you. Remember, a community college in the US is probably much better then the top colleges in a third world country.

Many start at a community college and then transfer.
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Believe me, it's better to find a girl to marry for the sole of green card then go back to a third world South American country where you won't have much opportunities and a hard time working and building a life.

Do you know how many South Americans just dream about getting a tourist or a student visa so they could immigrate illegally to the US (but enter legally, so they could adjust their status one day)? You have no idea. If you're going back to to South America you'll regret it and you'll never be able to come back to the US.


You have your brain, use it, even for a community college. Meet a nice girl and marry her if you want a green card, you will divorce eventually like everybody else, but the marriage would have to last only 3 years. Don't put all your eggs in your DREAM ACT basket, there are quicker ways that will work for sure, in 100%, without trusting some idiot in D.C. to pass a law.

Or find a friend that is a US citizen and would like to marry you and in return you will give her something else. I won't speak about illegal things here, but be creative.

In the end of the day, an MBA is an MBA. Look at it like shopping, if you are rich - you can buy an expensive degree (IVY League) and if you're not, you buy a cheaper degree (community college) and work your way from there.


You could always transfer to a private college, when the Dream ACT passes or when you'll marry a US citizen and things will get easier for you. Remember, a community college in the US is probably much better then the top colleges in a third world country.

Many start at a community college and then transfer.
My neighbor did that... it has been several years, he has been working a lot and I assume he has saved up quite a bit... just last week he got a letter from immigration. Apparently there was an inconsistency in a response her spouse gave... he is in trouble and could potentially face deportation. The problem with that is that if he does gets deported due to that reason he will not only be banned for 10 years but it could potentially be permanent, that fraud crime will be in his record if he tries to enter legally again, and if he enters illegally I very much doubt any path that opens up it will allow him to be legalized.

So... try very hard not to take that path with someone that wants to treat the marriage as a business.

What's sad about that scenario is that the guy paid that person who knows how many thousands of dollars and finished paying her years ago.
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Believe me, it's better to find a girl to marry for the sole of green card then go back to a third world South American country where you won't have much opportunities and a hard time working and building a life.

Meet a nice girl and marry her if you want a green card, you will divorce eventually like everybody else, but the marriage would have to last only 3 years.

Or find a friend that is a US citizen and would like to marry you and in return you will give her something else.

I won't speak about illegal things here, but be creative.


Um, you just did.
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Um, you just did.
That is funny!!! lol
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My neighbor did that... it has been several years, he has been working a lot and I assume he has saved up quite a bit... just last week he got a letter from immigration. Apparently there was an inconsistency in a response her spouse gave... he is in trouble and could potentially face deportation. The problem with that is that if he does gets deported due to that reason he will not only be banned for 10 years but it could potentially be permanent, that fraud crime will be in his record if he tries to enter legally again, and if he enters illegally I very much doubt any path that opens up it will allow him to be legalized.

So... try very hard not to take that path with someone that wants to treat the marriage as a business.

What's sad about that scenario is that the guy paid that person who knows how many thousands of dollars and finished paying her years ago.
So he didn't know how to do it. I know many people who did it and they are all have their green cards now and one is having his citizenship ceremony very soon. You can get the questions that they ask in the interview from an immigration lawyer and of course you'll have to know details about each other, like when you both woke up in the day of the interview and who woke up first. It's like studying for a college exam.

Immigration asks you nothing until the green card interview. If they think that it's a scam then they'll ask the couple separately so you need to get ready, but usually it takes only a few minutes and they tell you "congratulations you are a legal resident" and you can go and live your life like a normal human being.

A Mexican that marries a white woman will tell them to check the story in a deeper level. Same with a white man marrying a black woman. It's the racial profiling that they use. Also when a 20 years old marries a 40 years old (other type of profiling). As long as she's your age and you are both white or both black or both latinos the interview would take a few minutes unless you both look very nervous.


Just to make that clear, if two people get married and they live together and the other side is not getting payed for it - it's all totally legal, there's nothing illegal here, even if this marriage is only for mutual benefits. In the past a British prince would marry a French princess just so their countries will be in peace, it was mutual benefits and nothing more.

After living years in the US most people get married. All the people I know that arrived the US and stay illegally, about a few years later they got married and got their green cards. It's not such a big deal as long as you entered legally. Sacrificing your life and going back to wherever you are generally from shouldn't be an option since there are options to stay legally and the DREAM ACT might even pass (although it's not a sure thing and could take many more years).


Anyway, I'll say that I don't recommend paying for marriage. I recommend to get married for real and after 3 years when you have your permanent residency status, sit and think if you really love your wife and want to stay with her, or you had enough of her and can't stand her anymore. Is there something illegal here? People get married all the time and divorce 2-3 years later, like 50% of Americans. I know an American couple that got married for health insurance benefits!
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So he didn't know how to do it. I know many people who did it and they are all have their green cards now and one is having his citizenship ceremony very soon. You can get the questions that they ask in the interview from an immigration lawyer and of course you'll have to know details about each other, like when you both woke up in the day of the interview and who woke up first. It's like studying for a college exam.

Immigration asks you nothing until the green card interview. If they think that it's a scam then they'll ask the couple separately so you need to get ready, but usually it takes only a few minutes and they tell you "congratulations you are a legal resident" and you can go and live your life like a normal human being.

A Mexican that marries a white woman will tell them to check the story in a deeper level. Same with a white man marrying a black woman. It's the racial profiling that they use. Also when a 20 years old marries a 40 years old (other type of profiling). As long as she's your age and you are both white or both black or both latinos the interview would take a few minutes unless you both look very nervous.


Just to make that clear, if two people get married and they live together and the other side is not getting payed for it - it's all totally legal, there's nothing illegal here, even if this marriage is only for mutual benefits. In the past a British prince would marry a French princess just so their countries will be in peace, it was mutual benefits and nothing more.

After living years in the US most people get married. All the people I know that arrived the US and stay illegally, about a few years later they got married and got their green cards. It's not such a big deal as long as you entered legally. Sacrificing your life and going back to wherever you are generally from shouldn't be an option since there are options to stay legally and the DREAM ACT might even pass (although it's not a sure thing and could take many more years).


Anyway, I'll say that I don't recommend paying for marriage. I recommend to get married for real and after 3 years when you have your permanent residency status, sit and think if you really love your wife and want to stay with her, or you had enough of her and can't stand her anymore. Is there something illegal here? People get married all the time and divorce 2-3 years later, like 50% of Americans. I know an American couple that got married for health insurance benefits!
I just saw the letter they sent him. the problem is based on an interview that took place more than a year ago. They basically listed all the discrepancies that they found between the two separate interviews, all the times that they have been contacted and all the materials that they had submited as proof that they were together to build a case that due to the discrepancies they found they could not be living together and thus he is suspect of being in a sham marriage and commiting fraud. He has 30 days to rebut the accusations or else deportation procedures will be commenced on the grounds of him commiting fraud.

His is not the only failure I have heard from either. Another person apparently is in deportation procedures because the spouse turned him in during the interview. The spouse is free and ran away with his money leaving him in that trouble, he owns a pretty successful trucking business.

It does not seem like they will contact you immediately about the problems but let you go along with life while they build up a case. that person that got the letter started the marriage process almost 2 years ago, and now is when they send him a letter.

of course, if the marriage is real there is no reason to fear. The discrepancies that they found were the kind that any real couple would get correct.
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